(08-20-2022, 08:43 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: I always hesitate to declare if we do or don't have a given trope.  Less than a day ago I started writing a trope for "Roll on the Floor Laughing" -- then discovered while looking for appropriate categories that we had it already under the name "Laugh Themselves Sick".  And it's not the first time -- I once got a trope through the workshop and into the wiki at large before anyone realized it duplicated an existing one, a few years back.  I ended up merging them.

Anyway, go ahead, propose.  If someone notices it's a dupe, they'll let you know.  If you get it through and it turns out to be a dupe, we'll merge them.  No penalty except a little embarrassment.

(08-20-2022, 10:25 PM)Umbire Wrote:

(08-20-2022, 08:43 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: I always hesitate to declare if we do or don't have a given trope.  Less than a day ago I started writing a trope for "Roll on the Floor Laughing" -- then discovered while looking for appropriate categories that we had it already under the name "Laugh Themselves Sick".  And it's not the first time -- I once got a trope through the workshop and into the wiki at large before anyone realized it duplicated an existing one, a few years back.  I ended up merging them.

Anyway, go ahead, propose.  If someone notices it's a dupe, they'll let you know.  If you get it through and it turns out to be a dupe, we'll merge them.  No penalty except a little embarrassment.

Fair enough!

(08-21-2022, 09:05 AM)robkelk Wrote: Just under the wire...

I finally got fed up with the lack of progress being made to reduce the number of candidates in the Trope Workshop, and proposed an idea that I'd mentioned to Bob a while back in passing: Fifteen trope candidates, maximum.

This is a major change to the Trope Workshop, so I intend to give this one at least a week of debate. (If trope candidates are launched and not replaced during that week, so much the better - the intent is to get the number of trope candidates down, and that works.)

(08-21-2022, 09:05 AM)robkelk Wrote: Just under the wire...

I finally got fed up with the lack of progress being made to reduce the number of candidates in the Trope Workshop, and proposed an idea that I'd mentioned to Bob a while back in passing: Fifteen trope candidates, maximum.

This is a major change to the Trope Workshop, so I intend to give this one at least a week of debate. (If trope candidates are launched and not replaced during that week, so much the better - the intent is to get the number of trope candidates down, and that works.)

(08-23-2022, 06:20 PM)Labster Wrote: I am really starting to worry about Miraheze.  I know the situation has stabilized for now, but after a truly lackluster incident report, I'm starting to lose confidence.  I raised my concerns about it over a week ago, including the lack of regular feedback and no finding on whether the outage was preventable, and there hasn't been any response.  If there really was nothing to be learned and no actions to be taken after a week-long outage, I think we need to make sure we're getting regular backups, in case the worst happens.

Quote:The Incident Report at https://meta.miraheze.org/wiki/Special:IncidentReports/51 regarding the recent 11388-minute outage (Down to Up) says "Gluster has not been really been fined tuned for our setup so probably made things worse."

This is the only thing identified in the incident report as being a possible contributing factor (although for some reason it was not labelled as such).

Please fine-tune Gluster, so that the next such outage (Down to Up) does not last for 7.9+ days.

(08-23-2022, 07:35 PM)robkelk Wrote:

(08-21-2022, 09:05 AM)robkelk Wrote: Just under the wire...

I finally got fed up with the lack of progress being made to reduce the number of candidates in the Trope Workshop, and proposed an idea that I'd mentioned to Bob a while back in passing: Fifteen trope candidates, maximum.

This is a major change to the Trope Workshop, so I intend to give this one at least a week of debate. (If trope candidates are launched and not replaced during that week, so much the better - the intent is to get the number of trope candidates down, and that works.)

Oh, look - it's now two days after proposing a hard cap of 15 trope candidates, and the number of trope candidates has dropped from 28 to 17.

More significantly, the number of identified trope stubs that we inherited from TV Tropes is now down to three. (And if somebody keeps entry-pimping "Heartbreaking in Hindsight", we can get that down to two.)

(08-20-2022, 03:50 PM)GethN7 Wrote:

(08-20-2022, 02:44 PM)robkelk Wrote: Definitely let them know.

What they do with the information is up to them, but they can't act on what they don't know.

I'll do the needful.

classicdrogn Wrote:I'm not really hip to wiki jive, but I have noticed that people tend to call kanji and to a lesser extent other pictogram based scripts 'moon runes.' Well, I don't know if (and doubt) it's the first example, but the 1989 anime Madou King Granzort featured actual moon-people pictograms in its first episode. Here's a screenshot:

(08-24-2022, 08:14 AM)Bob Schroeck Wrote:

classicdrogn Wrote:I'm not really hip to wiki jive, but I have noticed that people tend to call kanji and to a lesser extent other pictogram based scripts 'moon runes.' Well, I don't know if (and doubt) it's the first example, but the 1989 anime Madou King Granzort featured actual moon-people pictograms in its first episode. Here's a screenshot:

That's a great image... but I'm not sure what you're suggesting.  Is there a particular trope you had in mind that it might be used to illustrate?

(08-09-2022, 03:03 AM)GethN7 Wrote:

(08-08-2022, 03:56 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: HornyLikeIAmA14YearOldGirl is at it again, posting what reads like he's declaring a wiki policy.

I commented.

The retcon he's referring to is rather divisive and a clear localization-based one, and while as a fan of the Guilty Gear series it is somewhat asinine and jarring given prior canon, I told him to keep his seethe under contorl.

The way I see it, no matter how stupid we find something, we can have private disgust for it, but so long as he does not let his disgust leak into the statement of objective fact, no matter how cringe or not it may be, he can whine all he likes, but we will not pretend said localization did not happen. We will make clear the fact it is a localization change and compared the original translation for clarity, but he can keep his seethe to the talk page so long as he does not make any attempt to rewrite history he disagrees with on the article pages.

If he proves defiant, then he should be disciplined.

Edit: Seems this was sorted out. Horny did bring up a legitimate reason for concern I cannot dispute. TV Tropes is notorious for pretending certain history did not happen if latter history agrees with their contemporary majority's feeling on the issue, and he was concerned we would follow suit, regardless of discrepancies. In the interests of honesty and acknowledging clashing canonical information, I believe it is reasonable to mention such discrepancies (in this case, a character who had been regarded as male is now called a female, despite prior canon information to the contrary), but we do so while leaving our personal feelings out of it, we simply state the varying facts between the periods of canon in question.

(08-26-2022, 08:04 AM)robkelk Wrote: Thanks, Umbrie. It looks like the character page needs cleanup to remove the claims of ambiguity...

(08-26-2022, 08:35 AM)Umbire Wrote:

(08-26-2022, 08:04 AM)robkelk Wrote: Thanks, Umbrie. It looks like the character page needs cleanup to remove the claims of ambiguity...

Provided in kind - though I also feel like there should be something said about the way that ambiguity was introduced in the first place...

Not to mention it's a product of an ongoing adverse reaction born of out-and-out Fan Dumb - classic case of "canon changed in a way I didn't like so I refuse to acknowledge it".

(08-27-2022, 11:28 AM)robkelk Wrote: We are now down to 14 trope candidates in the Trope Workshop.

As promised, I made a random list of the trope candidates in tropers' sandboxes. One issue: The first (and third) on that list are by Umbrie, who already has three candidates in the workshop. And that means I can't just move "Word Salad Horror" to the workshop without breaking the three-candidates-per-troper rule.

The second is by Beta Log 86... who makes one edit a month. But I'll ask whether that troper's candidate is ready for the Trope Workshop process.

EDIT: And asked on the troper's User talk page.

If the reply is "no", then the next (and final) ur-candidate on the list is one of Bob's: "Thirty Pieces of Silver". Assuming we actually pass that new rule, which is currently sitting at two "aye", two "nay", and one abstention.

(08-28-2022, 09:02 AM)robkelk Wrote: Do we have a trope for "game master's girlfriend" (or maybe something broader that includes it, such as "producer's girlfriend")? Because the latest Sequential Art fits it.

(08-28-2022, 04:37 PM)GethN7 Wrote:

(08-28-2022, 09:02 AM)robkelk Wrote: Do we have a trope for "game master's girlfriend" (or maybe something broader that includes it, such as "producer's girlfriend")? Because the latest Sequential Art fits it.

https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Dungeonmaster%27s_Girlfriend

(08-25-2022, 01:24 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: Do we have any kind of trope for someone getting first billing among alleged equals?  The result looks like the band name format "x and the ys" but doesn't necessarily have anything to do with music -- for instance, "Leo Gorcey and Bowery Boys".