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RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - Bob Schroeck - 08-27-2021 Beach-bound and bouncy? Out of the water, into our hearts? RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - LulzKiller - 08-27-2021 How do you use the quote template for quotes between multiple characters? per the wikiquote cleanup? RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - LulzKiller - 08-27-2021 BTW I did a major step towards cleaning up the Smash Bros page by giving Brawl its own page on the wiki along with moving all subspace emissary examples onto the relevant subpages. RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - Black Aeronaut - 08-28-2021 (08-27-2021, 08:20 AM)robkelk Wrote: Ursula Andress in Dr. No. Sexy Swimsuit Service Descriptive, alliterative, and references Misato Katsuragi going "Service! Service!" in the next episode previews of NGE. EDIT: For another dimension of fun, it can be shortened to SSS... like so. "Whew! That swimsuit scene was Triple-S-Rank!" RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - robkelk - 08-28-2021 (08-27-2021, 09:25 PM)LulzKiller Wrote: How do you use the quote template for quotes between multiple characters? per the wikiquote cleanup? Manually, like so: {{quote|'''Sex-shop clerk''': Is this some kind of bust? '''Lt. Frank Drebin''': It's very impressive.}} RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - robkelk - 08-28-2021 (08-25-2021, 03:47 PM)LulzKiller Wrote: The wind part is probably Hostile Weather, I think. (I don't see anything more appropriate in this category.) RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - LulzKiller - 08-28-2021 I mean more specifically the fact that Bob Dylan was referenced in something that matched the song with a visual reference (they're blowing in the wind, the song blowin in the wind) RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - robkelk - 08-29-2021 In case anybody is wondering why we have a Community Portal where we list things that need to be fixed, instead of just watching the films/shows/cartoons / reading the books/comics and doing the fixes ourselves, I've added this to the top of the Community Portal. Quote:As for why we have these lists instead of simply fixing problems ourselves: RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - robkelk - 08-29-2021 (08-28-2021, 04:30 PM)LulzKiller Wrote: I mean more specifically the fact that Bob Dylan was referenced in something that matched the song with a visual reference (they're blowing in the wind, the song blowin in the wind) Wouldn't that be a Shout-Out? RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - LulzKiller - 08-29-2021 (08-29-2021, 09:34 AM)robkelk Wrote:(08-28-2021, 04:30 PM)LulzKiller Wrote: I mean more specifically the fact that Bob Dylan was referenced in something that matched the song with a visual reference (they're blowing in the wind, the song blowin in the wind) I was thinking that, but when I got confused because that's a category? and is a separate subpage rather than a trope on the mainpage, unless I'm missing something? RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - GethN7 - 08-29-2021 Leaving a note here because I did some changes to fix some busted CSS issues with some of our imported Wikimedia Foundation templates that requires enabling the TemplateStyles extension (this was absolutely necessary because they make use of its parser hooks), else some of our imports have busted code all over the place. https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TemplateStyles I do want to add this to fix further issues, but since it opens up another potential content issue going forward, stopping to address that before getting the green light: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate This is also extensively called by many of our WMF import templates and modules, but it has another useful purpose that our bilingual editors will appreciate like Rob. Example https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Fr/Canada,_Eh%3F The Translate extension provides a full-featured way to make sure our foreign language pages are kept in orderly sync with our English language pages and encourages those who are wanting to translate our pages to do so in other languages by means of an extension that provides tools to ensure our foreign language pages are created in an orderly fashion. An example of how they organize foreign language pages can be seen here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:Translate/fr I see no reason we should not have this. It puts us on par with TV Tropes' support of foreign language pages while providing far superior tools and backend support that is kept current with the MediaWiki core and nigh all known extensions. It will not cause us any great issues with our existing content while allowing foreign language pages to be maintained in a far more orderly fashion. We may need to migrate foreign language pages to conform with Translate extensions standards (which is easily done with a page move), but that is all. Miraheze's own Meta wiki even uses it for similar purposes, so this has excellent precedent for being a wise idea. However, I'd like opinions before going further. P.S. - implementing this on pages can be done manually, but with a few minor additions of some parser tags on some of our templates, we can automatically apply Translation capability to almost all content pages, and likely other pages that use our boilerplates, though adding translation markup manually is still a valid option for pages that do not fit Main namespace standards or lack templates at top and bottom of pages we can modify to auto-add translation capability to. Basic layout and description of how this works here: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Extension:Translate/Page_translation_example Companion extension to apply with this proposal so translators can receive notifications and keep each other apprised of them so they can be more efficient: https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Extension:TranslationNotifications RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - robkelk - 08-29-2021 I'm actually not bilingual... so, carry on. RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - GethN7 - 08-29-2021 (08-29-2021, 05:35 PM)robkelk Wrote: I'm actually not bilingual... so, carry on. My mistake. Canada is a bilingual country speaking French and English, so I apologize for any presumption. That said, I believe the above stated will be of massive benefit to non-English speakers who wish to trope and easier on us keeping it organized. Also, technical note for admins: https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Special:Log/contentmodel Some imported CSS pages we use for Module pages may need conversion to "Sanitized CSS" to work properly, they are typically imported in plaintext, which has broken formatting. I have fixed all known CSS style sheets with this problem, just something to keep in mind going forward. RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - Bob Schroeck - 08-29-2021 (08-29-2021, 09:33 AM)robkelk Wrote: In case anybody is wondering why we have a Community Portal where we list things that need to be fixed, instead of just watching the films/shows/cartoons / reading the books/comics and doing the fixes ourselves, I've added this to the top of the Community Portal. Bravo. RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - Bob Schroeck - 08-29-2021 Geth, I have no problems with you proceeding to either maintain existing/needed functionality, nor with you implementing the improved foreign language support. (As long as the latter doesn't break anything, of course. <grin>) RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - GethN7 - 08-29-2021 (08-29-2021, 07:16 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: Geth, I have no problems with you proceeding to either maintain existing/needed functionality, nor with you implementing the improved foreign language support. (As long as the latter doesn't break anything, of course. <grin>) Done. I have added the markup, for now, to this page https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Main_Page Any new translations will be added to the language selection box at the top that the extension will create automatically, and users can select translations at will. For example, if a page has English, French, and German translations, they can click the language they prefer and switch back at any time. If they default their preferred language via the selector next to their user name to a certain language, any pages serving their preferred language will be provided first for their convenience. I also intend to eventually add this functionality to the Trope, Work, and Creator pages via adding the top required parser tags to their templates and the bottom end parser tags to the reflist template. All usage of these templates would thus automatically mark all these pages as being able to be translated. More can be added over time, but that was initially proposed pages that would most benefit from this. I do not forsee this causing any major issues, given how those templates are always used in tandem, worst error we might see is stray parser tagging at top or bottom of pages. I have not set user permissions for translation, it defaults to administrators for now, but I propose all trusted editors be given this right by default. RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - Labster - 08-29-2021 It looks fine to me -- enabling translation extension won't cost us very much, though I don't expect the feature to be in widespread use, ever. RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - GethN7 - 08-29-2021 Well, had to scratch modifying templates to auto-add translate parser tags, this can cause issues so they have to be added manually, which is likely a better thing in hindsight. Modified the MediaWiki:Edittools to include all the needed CharInsert markup so they can be added to pages with a few clicks. I removed the emoticons (I added that a long time ago, they are practically never used) to keep the CharInsert bar from getting too big. This is still restricted to admins only, but before we allowed trusted users translate rights, I believe it may be necessary to make a best practices page for how we use them, especially for TV Tropes users making the jump (They have page names with the country markup in front like Fr/Canada, Eh", Translate has that in reverse). It's possible to port all of the old ones from the original dump as a base, we'd just need to rename them to conform to the new name standards, or we could just start fresh if need be. RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - LulzKiller - 08-30-2021 Not against adding translation features. Who's Gani and why are they adding SQL code in blogposts? Code: <vote /> RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - robkelk - 08-30-2021 (08-30-2021, 03:10 AM)LulzKiller Wrote: Not against adding translation features. That's a lot of personally-identifying information for somebody to be collecting. That's a hell of a lot of personally-identifying information for somebody new to the wiki to be collecting. And without informing people that it's being collected, that's a violation of the Personal Information Protection and Electronic Documents Act Permabanning this account as per ATT:How We Do Bans Around Here: Quote:Some activity needs to be stopped as soon as it's identified. Doing any of these is grounds for permanent termination of editing rights without warning: EDIT: Geth did the actual block while I was writing the user talk message. RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - GethN7 - 08-30-2021 (08-30-2021, 03:10 AM)LulzKiller Wrote: Not against adding translation features. I don't know, but that's pretty sus. SQL injection is generally not possible by default unless you allow it (certain extensions allow storage of SQL data), but it's not on topic for our wiki nor is it a good idea to add it without a good reason for security reasons. Rejected the edit. I'm banning the account on security grounds like Rob said, this is a dangerous precedent. RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - Bob Schroeck - 08-30-2021 I'm sure it's been done already, but if no one nuked the SQL code I'll do so when I get on the wiki in a few. EDIT: Ah, NM. Sometimes I still forget the existence of the moderation queue. RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - LulzKiller - 08-30-2021 https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Special:CentralAuth?target=Gani They run other wiki's we might need to ask Meta about them. RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - robkelk - 08-30-2021 Notify, not ask. I'll post a message to the Stewards' Noticeboard. EDIT: And done. RE: All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXI - Bob Schroeck - 08-30-2021 Meanwhile, guys, please pay more attention to contributions by Shawn the Logo Boy. The new page he created, Fun Size/YMMV, was initially a word-for-word copy of the corresponding page at TVT, and the edit he made to Hotel Mario turned the text we had into a word-for-word copy of TVT content. I'm about to give him a warning, but for the foreseeable future anyone who reviews his stuff in Moderation needs to check it against TVT just to be sure. |