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- Black Aeronaut - 12-15-2010 I've been remaining quiet on this matter largely due to my ignorance about it - very little news reaches you when your primary focus is whether or not the North Koreans are gonna say 'fuck it all' and start launching missiles at you just because you're there. First off: I'm not exactly all warm and fuzzy about wikileaks, and that's without even taking the sex charges into account. (My view on the matter: if you're gonna call other people out onto the carpet then you had better be damn well beyond reproach yourself, or if you're into religion: "He that hath no sin cast the first stone.") Okay, so they're calling out shady dealings of the Black portions of the US Government. Big whoop. Let me know when we can actually do something about it. These people are so well backed that even if you could blow everything into the wide open it would still amount to nothing more than hearsay and circumstantial evidence. What I am really worried about is if this ass-clown finds that he's honestly not doing much to hurt the US (except maybe it's image... meanwhile he's going around doing the same favor to other countries that would benefit from the US being discredited) that he's going to start doing more rash things... like pulling a Geraldo Riviera and start publicizing movements of US forces. Sorry, I know it sounds paranoid of me, but you're only paranoid if there isn't someone out to get you. I'm a US Serviceman and to some people out there that means there's a target painted on my forehead. Please do not forget that. - robkelk - 12-15-2010 In a somewhat related bit, there's today's XKCD... which says something about who you should trust to do what. -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Jinx999 - 12-15-2010 There are things that need to be leaked, things like evidence of crimes. Wikileaks does have an important role here However I don't think the publishing of the diplomatic correspondance helps anybody decent. It doesn't contain any pressing information that I know about - and just hurts international diplomacy. Frank apprasials of anyone are going to hurt feelings. It's hard enough to talk some sense into Kin Jong Il and his clown posse without them being in a snit about being called a bunch of clowns. It'd also be a disaster if diplomats starting couching all their internal communications in mealy mouthed doubletalk. Accurate and clear information is a must for every government. - Dartz - 12-15-2010 It depends on what's published. If those diplomatic correspondances show that the Vatican rebuffed Irish government enquiries into the church sex-abuse scandal.... and that the Government here didn't really care to press them on the matter to hide their own responsibility... Or that a man was/is a member of an illegal and dangerous organisation, despite their stringent denials. And that they had advanced knowledge of planning a large-scale robbery... despite more denials on their part. And that they're currently running for office in the Dáil. Then I'd say they do help quite a few decent people. All this information is coming from diplomatic cables. I'm reading that last one right now. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Bob Schroeck - 12-15-2010 I happen to think the revelation linked to by Epsilon in message 10 was an important one to make. Those are criminals, both the native men and the Americans who excused their behavior because to do otherwise would have been "inconvenient". -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. - Ayiekie - 12-16-2010 Julian Assange isn't really the left-wing anti-US bogeyman some here seem to think. He's an "information wants to be free" libertarian type; Wikileaks also hosted (but did not originally leak) all those emails of climate scientists that caused the bullshit uproar last year. He's also noted his next target will be a leak from a major bank showing its illegal business. I have no doubt he'd release a leak from, say, Germany were he to come into possession of it. Moreover, it's worth noting (because god knows the media doesn't) that the diplomatic cables released on Wikileaks were a) only a small fraction of the hundreds of thousands of cables that were leaked (most have yet to be revealed), and b) were limited to those that were published first by newspapers, and included the redactions those newspapers had applied. He did not just undiscriminatingly dump all the files he had, as most people seem to think (and as many of his supporters would have done). - Dartz - 12-17-2010 http://www.salon.com/news...12/14/manning/index.html Bernard Manning is being held in solitary for 23 hours a day... denied even a bedsheet and pillow. He hasn't been convicted of a crime (yet?). The suggestion is that this may be a tactic to encourage him to testify against Assange, that Assange solicited the information leak from him, which would make it espionage. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Werehawk - 12-19-2010 Well the tinfoil hat brigade has already rendered it's verdict on wikileaks. It's a U.S. Intelligence plot...Indeed I tell you it's a plot... http://www.engdahl.oilgeo..._Con_Job/us_con_job.html --Werehawk-- My mom's brief take on upcoming Guatemalan Elections "In last throes of preelection activities. Much loudspeaker vote pleading." - Rod.H - 12-20-2010 Of cause they will think that for Assange has apparently done some work for DARPA, not to mention the other stuff he's done. Then again they still would say that if wikileaks released some documents covering a bunch of above top secret black projects or Area-51. I mean just look at the hoo-ha over the MJ-12 papers, are they fake, the real deal, or just misinterpreted. - Sweno - 12-20-2010 ahh the joys of conspiracy theories. Any proof to the contrary is obviously planted, and lack of evidence for your case is a coverup. But you know the REAL deal. They keep cropping up because they satisfy 2 basic attributes of humanity: 1) The desire for agency (things happen for understandable reasons) 2) The fact that we are so good at finding patterns, we see them when they are not there. -Terry ----- "so listen up boy, or pornography starring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today" TF2: Spy - Dartz - 12-20-2010 Irony. Full details of allegations against Assange leaked. Assange's lawyers reported to be furious. http://www.theregister.co...ver_leaked_police_files/ http://www.guardian.co.uk...17/julian-assange-sweden ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Logan Darklighter - 12-21-2010 Speaking of conspiracy theories and the inadvertent debunking of same - Mike Totten finds the Wikileaks silver lining. Aside from the low comedy contained therein, I mean. Quote:Gideon Rachman at the Financial Times says WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange deserves a medal rather than prison. “He and WikiLeaks have done America a massive favour,” he writes, “by inadvertently debunking decades-old conspiracy theories about its foreign policy.” - Bob Schroeck - 12-23-2010 Interesting development a couple days ago: According to the House Judiciary Chairman, Wikileaks did not commit any crime. (Fair warning: The linked site leans well into tinfoil-hat territory in its other articles, but this one seems to be fairly straightforward. When time allows, I'll try to dig up some stories on other outlets that confirm what it says.) -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. |