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- OpMegs - 03-09-2009
So, hopelessly irreverent type that I am, I have what may be a critical question as regards the enjoyment of people elsewhere in the theater.
Namely, should I be in training to resist the giggle fit any time the, ah, sixth prominent member of the cast is on screen? Because I'd really hate to
break out in uncontrolled giggles everytime it's, ahem, prominently featured.
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"Oh, silver blade, forged in the depths of the beyond. Heed my summons and purge those who stand in my way. Lay
waste."
- Foxboy - 03-09-2009
Well, saddle up your HORSES, mister. Jon Wang plays a bit part, Pilgrim.
*ahem* That said..... Pay more attention to what is being said than the glowing blue trouser snake. You should be able to rein in the giggles. If not... How
did you get past the ID check for an R rated movie?
''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.''
-- James Nicoll
- Sweno - 03-09-2009
I saw it today and must agree with what others have already said. It isn't true to what exactly happened in the comic, but it is true to the FEEL of it.
I am happy with it, and will see it again after I re-read the comic.
I thought the nudity was very well handled. They made no effort to draw attention to the fact that he was naked, it just was.
I didn't have to deal with giggles, but I did have to deal with 2 crying kids (two different families) seriously, there is something wrong with those
parents. And after seeing that movie under the age of 7, quite possibly something wrong with the kids as well.
-Terry
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"so listen up boy, or pornography starring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today"
TF2: Spy
- Wiregeek - 03-09-2009
Dude behind us had a 2 year old...
here's the weird part.
Kid was _riveted_.
O_o
"No can brain today. Want cheezeburger."
From NGE: Nobody Dies, by Gregg Landsman
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- Epsilon - 03-09-2009
I'm firmly of the opinion that children can handle a lot more than most adults give them credit for.
Even so, Watchmen is not a kids movie.
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Epsilon
- Florin - 03-10-2009
Don't be silly, it's a Super Hero movie, of course it must be for children! I mean sure, the peeling off skin dream is going to be featuring in my
nightmares for the next little bit, but I'm sure that's just me.
I went to a private showing, so I didn't have to deal with any kids this time, but the same thing happened when I saw Dark Knight. Some women brought her
7-8 year old, who was clearly freaked out by the Joker and in tears by Twoface. It's like they don't even see the giant 'R' on all the posters.
It's probably related to whatever makes it so that you have to tell a parent that maybe Grand Theft Auto or Manhunt is not an appropriate game for a 10
year old.
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If you become a monster to put down a monster you've still got a monster running around at the end of the day and have as such not really solved the whole monster problem at all.
- NotDavies - 03-10-2009
the same thing happened when I saw Dark Knight. Some women brought her 7-8 year old, who was clearly freaked out by the Joker and in tears by Twoface.
It's like they don't even see the giant 'R' on all the posters
Um ... while there as an R on the posters for Watchmen, there wasn't one for The Dark Knight, which was rated PG-13. So not
seeing it wouldn't have been her fault.
Chris Davies.
- Florin - 03-11-2009
Huh... I coulda sworn it was rated R... but your right, it's only 14A here.
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If you become a monster to put down a monster you've still got a monster running around at the end of the day and have as such not really solved the whole monster problem at all.
- Jinx999 - 03-22-2009
I just saw it and I liked it. The change to the ending made sense, especially after I tried to explain the original ending to my sister. The phrase "Giant
Psychic Space Squid" does not belong in an intelligent conversation.
They cut out most of the side stories, including what happened to Nite Owl I and the whole people on the corner.
One thing I noticed, they cut out all references to smoking, except for the Comedian. Given he's a murderer, rapist, thug and fascist, I guess they
considered it acceptable for him to smoke.
- Bob Schroeck - 03-22-2009
Quote:They cut out most of the side stories, including what happened to Nite Owl I and the whole people on the corner.Many of them, especially the Bernies, were filmed, they just got cut at the last minute for run time.
Quote:One thing I noticed, they cut out all references to smoking, except for the Comedian.I sat through the credits and I noticed that there is in fact a disclaimer near the end that declares pre-emptively that no one associated with the film took any money to promote smoking. That led me to think back and realize that I could only remember the Comedian and Moloch smoking...
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
- Black Aeronaut - 03-22-2009
Quote: Epsilon wrote:Couldn't agree more there. Personally, I think they really shoulda gone a little stricter in rating this thing. Making it NC-17, IMHO, would
I'm firmly of the opinion that children can handle a lot more than most adults give them credit for.
Even so, Watchmen is not a kids movie.
not have hurt the box office sales one bit.
Oh, and get a load of this. Chick next to me in the theatre (place was PACKED) on our boy blue: "Yes! Male nudity! Finally!" And every time
afterwards you'd swear that she was quietly enduring an orgasm each time we saw him on screen like that. Best of all, at the end of the movie, I ovhear
her saying: "It was interesting, but I didn't really get it." Sheist, woman, have ye any shame?
Otherwise, the movie was pretty good... Just, wow, that was DARK. I mean, I thought that seeing one of the Minute Men being carted away in a straight jacket
just meant this was going to be a little angsty, but then when the hippies all got blown away later on in the montage... Yikes.
- Foxboy - 03-22-2009
Ummm. That's actual history, there. The flower girl and the gunfire did happen at Kent State in Our Time Line [OTL]
''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.''
-- James Nicoll
- Ayiekie - 03-22-2009
The ending's not really better than the original, but it's acceptable and I understood why they did it that way. The major casualty is that noone dies
from what happened that we care about, but that's more due to lack of time than anything. An extra scene with the psychologist and his family would've
done a lot for that scene (maybe cut the overlong sex scene in half to make up for it). While I agree with or don't mind most of the changes, I really
disliked at the over-the-top violence in the fight between Dan and Laurie and the street thugs. It was uncomfortable, served no purpose except making the
viewer wonder exactly what is the difference between them and Rorschach, and to top it all off, was not even consistent because they had a clean,
non-murderous, "Batman" fight scene later on in the prison break scene. Just a bad idea all around. The soundtrack was also just a little too cute at
times (it was pretty bad in the funeral and Owlshipsex scenes especially), but that is forgiven because of the stupendous opening montage and Dr. Manhattan
vapourising Viet Cong to Flight of the Valkyries.
It is unfortunate that the director clearly hated Ozymandias; he's a complex character in the book, but pretty much a cardboard cutout villain without any
subtlety in the movie (which makes his "I'm not a comic book supervillain" line rather droll). Of all the changes, that one I think hurt the film
compared to the book the most, but I think it's been pretty obvious that's where they were going since the first promotional shots came out showing
Ozy.
On the good side, Nite Owl, Rorscach, and Manhattan were steller performances by the actor's involved, especially Rorscach, who coaxed something compelling
out of lines and scenes that could easily have come off painfully cheesy.
Overall, it's a good movie, but it's not great. Certainly better than the average and worth seeing, but flawed and ultimately not really very deep
(probably because most of Watchmen's depth came from the intricate character studies that the movie didn't have time to do, not from the plot that it
did).
However, as a shameless fan, I will forgive all of that and a lot else just for the opening montage. That was worth the price of admission alone.
- Shepherd - 03-23-2009
Quote: Ayiekie wrote:I saw no problem with the different approaches because the street thugs were armed and surrounding them while they lacked the benefit of their
I really disliked at the over-the-top violence in the fight between Dan and Laurie and the street thugs. It was uncomfortable, served no purpose except
making the viewer wonder exactly what is the difference between them and Rorschach, and to top it all off, was not even consistent because they had a clean,
non-murderous, "Batman" fight scene later on in the prison break scene.
(presumably reinforced) costumes while the prisoners were unarmed and came at them a few at a time from a single controllable direction while they had their
costumes on for protection.
Quote: Ayiekie wrote:It may not have all been the director's fault. The script and acting may have contributed as well.
It is unfortunate that the director clearly hated Ozymandias; he's a complex character in the book, but pretty much a cardboard cutout villain without
any subtlety in the movie.
My one significant nitpick with the movie was the inclusion of Bubastis. Since the giant psychic space squid was dropped from the plot, there was no need to
include a CGI gene-spliced pet to prove the viability of genetic engineering. It simply became a tacked on WTF?!? version of Blowfeld's cat.
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- Shepherd - 03-23-2009
Quote: blackaeronaut wrote:Of course, the Dr. Manhattan full monty still illustrates the inequity in Hollywood gender roles since the Doc is CGI.
Chick next to me in the theatre (place was PACKED) on our boy blue: "Yes! Male nudity! Finally!" And every time afterwards you'd swear that she
was quietly enduring an orgasm each time we saw him on screen like that.
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"Anyone can be a winner if their definition of victory is flexible enough." - The DM of the Rings XXXV
- Ebony - 03-23-2009
Quote: Bob Schroeck wrote:In the book or in the movie? Both Dr. Manhattan's first girlfriend, Janey Slater, and both Silk Spectres smoked (the first one in flashback;
Quote: One thing I noticed, they cut out all references to smoking, except for the Comedian.I sat through the credits and I noticed that there is in fact a disclaimer near the end that declares pre-emptively that no one associated with
the film took any money to promote smoking. That led me to think back and realize that I could only remember the Comedian and Moloch smoking...
she doesn't smoke in the retirement home). In fact, the whole thing with Archie's flamethrower is set up with Laurie looking for a cigarette lighter
while puttering around in Nite Owl's lair. I remember thinking that Janey's cancer could have been attributed to her smoking, but in going back and
reading the novel (which I just did after seeing the movie), she tells Doug Roth that she's started smoking because she really has nothing to be afraid of,
since she's got cancer already. All of these were pulled from the movie.
Ebony the Black Dragon
http://ebony14.livejournal.com
"Good night, and may the Good Lord take a Viking to you."
- Bob Schroeck - 03-23-2009
Quote:In the book or in the movie?I was referring to the movie. I couldn't remember anyone other than the Comedian and Moloch smoking in the movie. Doesn't mean there wasn't anyone else -- I can almost sorta kinda remember Spectre I smoking now that you mention it -- just what I could dredge up after the fact.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.