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- HRogge - 02-16-2013 I think the Columbia story (at least parts of it) could easily work with Handwavium... Some people on Earth start using it (without any plan to leave the country at first), but the tension about the project rises and finally make the floating city to disappear. Could be some kind of faction that fits a place between the Fen and Earth... - robkelk - 02-16-2013 M Fnord Wrote:Just moved the wiki content - all one page of it - for TSIR(SGAH) into Alternates, so it isn't completely empty any more.robkelk Wrote:Sounds like a plan. -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - M Fnord - 02-17-2013 Spent too much time thinking about this today. Ah well. Have a story snippet; the Order's invasion of Secundus proceeds apace! Quote:The Last Chance Saloon was the first public house established in the fine city of Grand Central on the planet Grand Central. As the colony became the heart of Fenspace’s gatecrasher community, the saloon became the main pump. Most off-call gatecrashers hung out in one of the Last Chance’s expansive drinking rooms, and the back rooms were used for briefing and planning missions. Sometimes a team would be technically off-call, but waiting for a particular job to open up, and they would hang out at the Last Chance until word came back from Gate Control. Quote:Excerpt from Thompson's Guide to Pre-Wave Weird Science (Univ. of Chicago, 20XX):Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!" - robkelk - 02-17-2013 And at the other end of that favor... Quote:The phone rang.-- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Dakota - 02-17-2013 Quote:[Begin Log] _______________________________________________________________ Characters Sabre Fang Dakota - Proginoskes - 02-17-2013 I suppose the question is, how sure are scholars that Columbian tech is wave-free? Because in the absence of evidence to the contrary, my assumption would be that the 'wave has been around much longer than previously thought, not that the people of Columbia managed to hack together greysci or darksci in its absence. And Noah Anderson really should count his blessings. As "criminal gangs" go, it's hard to get more harmless than politically-motivated provocateurs with a very strict "no physical harm" rule. Gorilla suits, not Guy Fawkes masks. And she's not so estranged that she's not asking after your health, which will happen if you try to hold her. (Yakety Sax is an earworm of epic proportions, and I'm now imagining it as the soundtrack to Noah's efforts to track down and contain his wayward daughter.) - M Fnord - 02-17-2013 Proginoskes Wrote:I suppose the question is, how sure are scholars that Columbian tech is wave-free? Because in the absence of evidence to the contrary, my assumption would be that the 'wave has been around much longer than previously thought, not that the people of Columbia managed to hack together greysci or darksci in its absence. It's by no means a majority opinion yet, but the Emerging Historical Consensus(tm) is that Columbia represents the last premature flowering of wavetech, one of a long line of such things that dates back at least to the Qin Dynasty and has popped up all over the world. The hypothesis is that wavetech has shown up multiple times in human history only to die out due to outside factors (poor resources, the users being too isolated or closing themselves off from the world, the users being destroyed by their own creations, etc.) before it can spread to the rest of the world. Columbia's disappearance seems to bear that out; the people who built it were geniuses, but also isolationist, paranoid and most likely killed themselves. (It should also be noted here that even in 20XX, nobody knows exactly what happened to Columbia. The city vanished from all observers somewhere between the death of King Edward VII and the beginning of the First World War, and very little in terms of artifacts have ever been recovered. "Today" most people have forgotten it, much like most people've forgotten the 1890s in general. Only historians and cranks know anything about the city period.) Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!" - robkelk - 02-17-2013 Proginoskes Wrote:And Noah Anderson really should count his blessings. As "criminal gangs" go, it's hard to get more harmless than politically-motivated provocateurs with a very strict "no physical harm" rule. Gorilla suits, not Guy Fawkes masks. And she's not so estranged that she's not asking after your health, which will happen if you try to hold her. (Yakety Sax is an earworm of epic proportions, and I'm now imagining it as the soundtrack to Noah's efforts to track down and contain his wayward daughter.)Oh, definitely. However, Noah's so rich that he's started to think some of the rules don't apply to him - Meg's keeping him in line on that until he grows up. Eventually, he'll reach the mental point that Sora has and they'll stop yelling at each other whenever she's home. (Give them both a bit more maturing and they might even apologize to each other.) But that won't happen for a few years yet. -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Dartz - 02-17-2013 When I wake up after every split, the first thing I do is check the time. I double check the date. And I breath a deep sigh of relief each time they come out right. Though, being in three places at once takes a little getting used to. ---------- ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Black Aeronaut - 02-19-2013 Okay, I haven't really read all of this yet. So much crap to go through. Initial impression: So, this is a slightly harder reboot of Fenspace (not only harder science, but also harder socio-politics?)... Interesting. In order to contribute anything really meaningful, I'd probably have to wrap things up in Original Flavor FS in a nice and tidy bow... or at least patch it up well enough that it'll be fine with some shorts here and there and now and then. In that continuum, Ben will probably turn most of the Roughriders, along with 36 Atalante, over to the Patrol, keeping only some of the best toys for a much smaller and far more mobile merc force. Think something along the lines of the mercenary forces seen in BattleTech. Primary driving force behind this would be a largely unsubstantiated scandal involving Roughriders - Maico probably blew the thing wide open and happily dissected the whole thing, pointing out just how flawed the case was. Regardless, Ben would admit that the Roughriders present something of an elephant in the room when it comes to fen politics. Much better to fold the operation into an organization seen as being far more trustworthy with that level of dakka. Anywho... I'm just messing around with ideas, is all. Like I said, I don't have the full picture yet. I'll fill you guys in on more when A) I've read through everything and B) I'm not running on less than five hours of sleep in forty-eight hours. - robkelk - 02-19-2013 Oh, we're still continuing with Original Recipe Fenspace; we're just goofing around with Extra-Crunchy Fenspace, and if any stories come out of it, great. (It's like Candle in the Wind or The South is Rising - diversions that don't replace the main story.) -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - M Fnord - 02-19-2013 What Rob said, mostly. There's a remote chance this could supplant the original, but that's contingent on everybody (and I mean everybody) signing on to a full reboot. Without a unanimous decision in favor, I'm not willing to scrap six years worth of work on a whim. Also, content: Quote:"The target is this factory in the Osaka region. It's owned by the Nippon National Heavy Industries Special Group-" Quote:TERRORISTS STRIKE IN JAPAN: ELECTRONICS FACTORY DESTROYED IN MASSIVE EXPLOSIONMr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!" - ECSNorway - 02-20-2013 Quote:SLAVEBOT FACTORY DESTROYED BY MARXIST GUERILLA RAID-- Sucrose Octanitrate. Proof positive that with sufficient motivation, you can make anything explode. - robkelk - 02-20-2013 Quote:When asked for a comment, noted businessman and infomorph developer Noah Anderson said, "I didn't adopt the infomorphs that I created just because it's the right thing to do. I set a legal precedent - infomorphs are people in the legal sense as well as the social sense. I'm tempted to stage an unfriendly takeover of NNHISEG just so I can fire the people responsible. But I'm not happy about the property destruction - I can't believe everybody at that factory knew what was going on, so there might be some innocent people out of work today."-- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - M Fnord - 02-20-2013 It came up tangentally in IRC, so here's some more gatechat. The following is mostly verbatim from the Eclipse Phase book Gatecrashing, used under Creative Commons BY-NC-SA 3.0 (oddly enough, the came CC license Fenspace is under. Synergy.) with a little remixing by yours truly to fit the established paradigm: Quote:Though the Oberon gates are all very similar in look and function, in truth there are many notable differences between individual structures. First among these is size. Some of the gates are quite large, with the main spherical cage having a radius of over 100 meters. On the other hand, most gates are significantly smaller, with the lower end gates having a radius of approximately 15 meters across. There is some speculation that the gate sizes may be programmable, though no one has succeeded in reshaping one yet, or at least acknowledged such to the research community. It is possible to manipulate the wormhole size so that it is smaller than the gate; this is in fact standard procedure when connecting to unknown locations. In these cases, the wormhole is intentionally kept just wide enough to stick a microsensor through, while preventing anything larger from coming through.Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!" - M Fnord - 02-20-2013 from the sublime to the ridiculous, also have an actual date! Quote:"The Japanese government today issued arrest warrants for members of the terrorist organization The Order of Saint Grimace in connection with the bomb attack on Osaka Prefecture on 10 July, as well as a series of high-profile thefts of consumer electronics occurring shortly thereafter. The known members of the group as well as 'unidentified accomplices numbers 1-100' have been charged with terrorism, willful destruction of property, felony theft, vandalism and illegal entry into Japan.Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!" - HRogge - 02-20-2013 *snicker* it seems they had a lot of fun on their raid. - ECSNorway - 02-20-2013 IHNPY, IJLS "Iranian Infomorph-Rights Groups". -- Sucrose Octanitrate. Proof positive that with sufficient motivation, you can make anything explode. - Proginoskes - 02-21-2013 ECSNorway Wrote:IHNPY, IJLS??? - robkelk - 02-21-2013 Proginoskes Wrote:I Have No Post Yet, I Just Like SayingECSNorway Wrote:IHNPY, IJLS??? As for the Iranian Infomorph-Rights Groups, why not? Infomorphs run on electricity, which can be described as "smokeless fire." Thus, some folks in the Middle East are going to conflate them with the other "beings of smokeless fire," the djinn... and if one is superstitious and living in the Middle East, one doesn't want to piss off the djinn. -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - shaderic - 02-21-2013 ... Hilariously, I think in this more serious version, most of the characters I've written come out ahead. With a stronger Danelaw presence in space and the various butterflies that produces, Sherry probably doesn't get caught up in ther incident that kills her and Benjamin has a lot less of a problem getting a visa to visit them until his tour's up. I don't even know if Biomods would exist in this setting, so Mei's probably an ordinary girl too. Minus the Boskone, Beck Gale probably leads a boring, if fairly content life, working in asteroid mining. Possibly still a cyborg, though. As for Hex, the character who I still haven't written anything for here, she probably still had the accident that turned her into a cyborg, but rather than the more colorful career I've got dreamed up for her in the mainline, works in colony construction, modifying alternate sets of arms as a hobby. - ECSNorway - 02-21-2013 I'm personally wondering if the combination of the Djinn Effect and other new technology might end up making the RL-current "Arab Spring" less of a Muslim-Brotherhood-Love-Fest. -- Sucrose Octanitrate. Proof positive that with sufficient motivation, you can make anything explode. - HRogge - 02-21-2013 ECSNorway Wrote:I'm personally wondering if the combination of the Djinn Effect and other new technology might end up making the RL-current "Arab Spring" less of a Muslim-Brotherhood-Love-Fest. The problem with the "Arabian Spring" is more a social then a technical problem. As long as certain influential parts of society stay "anti science", it will be difficult to change anything there. If we look back in time, during the 9th to 12th century Bagdad was THE center of learning, knowledge and exchange of knowledge by all kinds of cultures... but then the "social climate" towards science changed. Not sure Handwavium will be that helpful to change it again. - M Fnord - 02-21-2013 ECSNorway Wrote:I'm personally wondering if the combination of the Djinn Effect and other new technology might end up making the RL-current "Arab Spring" less of a Muslim-Brotherhood-Love-Fest. No matter who ends up in charge during the Spring, they still won't love you. Propping up the dictators who shit on them tends to do that. So alt-you will probably still be bitching about the "Muslim Brotherhood Love-Fest" and putting Arab Spring in scare quotes. Just sayin'. Anyway. The Islamic Republic of Iran is one of the most liberal nations when it comes to infomorph rights. Infomorphs are accorded all the rights of human citizens. There is of course a catch: the infomorph in question had best be religious. Naturally there's a preference towards Shia, but any of the recognized religions are acceptable. Most Iranian AIs are brought up in the faith of their coders anyway, so this tends to be more important for immigrants. Infomorph rights are recognized as the major rights issue of the later 21st century, even though we're just getting to the mid-21st century. Only a handful of nations (Iran, Spain, Australia, Canada and the United Kingdom) accord full rights to infomorph citizens. The majority of industrialized countries recognize an infomorph's right to exist, but do not allow such things as survivor benefits, rights to marriage and/or adoption, etc. The United States is very haphazard about this (because apparently they didn't learn their fucking lesson the last time, the jackasses) with each state having varying and sometimes contradictory policies about informorph rights. A number of nations, most in the developing world but also including Japan as an influential member, don't recognize infomorph personhood at all. For AIs and uploads these are not good places to go, naturally. Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!" - ECSNorway - 02-21-2013 Quote:Chinese squatters on Greenwood mining claim expelled by GSS militia, provided transport to Ganymede Quote:China protests "armed thuggery" as violation of the disarmament clauses of the Outer Space Treaty of 1967. (OOC: Was watching 'Amazon Gold' on Discovery recently, and the mining team arrived at their claim to find it (like so many others in the area) occupied by heavily-armed chinese squatters and thugs...) -- Sucrose Octanitrate. Proof positive that with sufficient motivation, you can make anything explode. |