GethN7 Wrote:Vorticity: We need not only the reviews namespace still fixed, but we also need an alternate new user message template that works with Flow. I'm still busy trying to rebuild, so could you please look into this ASAP?

vorticity Wrote:

Quote:We will use at least some advertising (more for lurkers, less for active
tropers). ... But we definitely don't want to sell user
data.

Are there advertising networks out there that don't collect user data, or are you planning on doing direct sales? I guess the good news is that ATT doesn't have to worry about its competitors providing a better user experience.

vorticity Wrote:

Quote:We've been there for years, but later, the wiki lost its fun. ... Then we learned that you had made the site rip, and downloaded it.

Tell me about it. I have really done any troping in years. The programming part keeps me interested though. As for the site rip ... I was a much worse programmer back then. I apologize about the quality of the dataset, with all of its duplicate pages and such. I have improved much since that day, but still know nothing. (Also, CSS Zen Garden looks fun, but also overdesigned for real websites.)

vorticity Wrote:

Quote:but then again, Wikipedia is also struggling with their WYSIWYG editor.

Less so than you'd think based on the press. It was pretty shaky at launch, but it's improved quite a lot since then. The real issue is that forcing change onto Wikipedians will always result in chaos.

vorticity Wrote:

Quote:Open Source is great, but in our special case, there's a problem: Our
software is highly specialized - it's great for a troping wiki, but not
for much else. The only ones who could put it to use are us - and the TV
Tropes crew. Just the folks we don't want to schlep for free for. You
understand our problem?

I do see your issues, but I reject the premise that it would only be useful for a troping wiki. The central idea of the Portland Pattern Repository is so close to troping wikis that you can basically replace the word "software" with "entertainment" in the purpose and it makes sense.

I also reject the idea that software can automatically be used for free if it's open source. I mean, look at Unix. That's like the classic example. It took some 30 years until we got a FOSS alternative to Unix and you're not really concerned *that* far down the road, are you? There are legitimate reasons to keep your application closed-source, but at this point it seems like a matter of taste.

vorticity Wrote:

Quote:Since our wiki is built upon a real DB, we can rate all the pages,
whether they are good clean family fun or hentai guro. Tropers can use
their settings to decide which pages they want to see. If you don't want
to see the real bad stuff, you'll get a 404 when you go there by
mistake. Oh, and people will have to make an account before they can
read up about bad stuff. Good enough?

Actually, that's elegant. I worry about the edit wars on what acceptable concepts are, but this is at the core a good idea.

vorticity Wrote:Most of the ideas I'm coming up with involve forcing Mediawiki to do things that it really wasn't designed to do. I have the core of an idea/implementation to enable Pmwiki traces (a.k.a TVT index footers) into a Mediawiki footer. I'm not really sure if people even want that feature, but it's something that could be toggled. I think that if I was truly clever with Javascript, I might be able to come up with something that mimics your example sorting thing. No new ideas, I'm afraid.

vorticity Wrote:

Quote:Did you get our mail with the attachment (the custom titles for pages)?

Yup! At the time, I had no idea how to harvest it. I have a whole 4MB file of me attempting to rename page titles on translation to the new wiki syntax. I only really got half of what we needed, and had to bot a lot more fixes after launch. I'm sure we'll have to figure out someone to go through it.

vorticity Wrote:

Quote:As long as we are the only ones using the software (we don't plan to sell it), we use our time for other stuff.

That's too bad, I was thinking of buying it. Totally serious here.

vorticity Wrote:

Quote:Read carefully what we wrote, there's a hint hidden in it.

And if you keep teasing me like this, I'm rapidly going to become disinterested. I asked because I saw your "hints" and could not figure them out.

vorticity Wrote:

Quote:We don't comment on that. The Administration of the future troping wiki has to stay neutral.

This line, more than anything else you've said, makes me think you're unsuited to run a troping wiki. Good luck on trying to run a fan site without passion. Hint: there is a difference between having favorites and playing favorites.

TvT Rivals Wrote:Hi guys,

Fanfic Recs will take a bit longer - we found a lot of doubles and had to fix that problem first. At least, we are a bit closer.

(About our avatar: Tv Tropes can forbid us using the lampshade for our wiki, but they shouldn't be able to forbid using it as this. Hopefully.)

BTW: Your article about Text Formatting on ATT still has many artifacts from Tv Tropes.

CU tomorrow!

Thanks for the heads up.

Quote:robkelk wrote:

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In an unrelated item, it was a pleasure working with you on the new "Red Hot Chilli Pipers" page, Bob.

Quote:BTW: Your article about Text Formatting on ATT still has many artifacts from Tv Tropes.

TvT Rivals Wrote:@Bob: One question - did you have to delete all subpages of Text Formatting manually? Would be more practical of MW had a feature to smash all of 'em in one step.

Our software is getting along well, we can add new fanfic recs now. Or edit them. (Screenshot is up on wikia.)

Also, we're on reddit and voat now. Geth, you may have noticed. - Any subreddits / subverses (besides about media and troping) you'd like to recommend?

TvT Rivals Wrote:@Bob: OK, "subpages" was the wrong word. The other entities we meant were some redirects and Category pages.

@Geth: We are at
http://www.reddit.com/user/TvT-Rivals/
http://voat.co/user/TvT-Rivals
respectively.

Other than that: We're experimenting with several things - a fade-out for the menus on top, alphabetical sorting for categories (you remember how indexes worked on Tv Tropes?), and we added a few thousand discussions threads (from fanfic recs). On the weekend, we want to tackle the reviews (we downloaded and reformatted them - those from before July 2012, of course).

Also, we give you a list of interesting (whether in a positive or negative way) stuff we discovered on Tv Tropes throughout the years. Maybe this will help you to know us better.

* Instrument of God
* Ace Attorney, Portal, Dwarf Fortress, Eversion, I Wanna Be The Guy
* Cerebus the Aardvark, Deadpool, Kick-Ass, What happened to the man of tomorrow?, Scott Pilgrim, The Dark Knight Comics, Squirrel Girl, ASSBAR, One More Day...
* House of Leaves, Accelerando, Aubrey-Maturin, The Dresden Files, Thursday Next, The Malazan Book Of The Fallen
* Warhammer 40k, especially Ciaphas Cain
* The Prestige, Primer, Triangle, Jesus Christ Vampire Hunter
* Life on Mars, Ashes to Ashes, Gene Hunt
* Details about Doctor Who, Red Dwarf, Buffy, Firefly, The Office, The Big Bang Theory, Heroes, lonelygirl15 and many other Series
* Blank It, Princess Planet, QC, mezzacotta, C6, Oglaf, Terror Island, 8-bit Theater, P&A, Ma3, and lots of other Webcomics. Stickman and Cube, TMI, Angband - Tales from the Pit, Dinosaur Comics, Hipster Hitler, Palindramas, Triangle and Robert, 1/0, Shredded Moose, monospace, The non-Adventures of Wonderella
* SailorNothing, SlenderManMythos, SCP Foundation, Dr. Horrible, John dies at the End, Shinji and WH40k, Red vs Blue, Homestuck, Pokegirls, Skippy's List and other Web Originals.
* Angels in America, Hedwig and the angry inch, Whateley Universe, Glee, Blur the Lines, RENT, Avenue Q, REPO the Genetic Opera, all the stuff by Jennifer Diane Reitz
* Homestar Runner, That Guy with the Glasses & Co, Limyaael's Fantasy Rants, the concept of Abridged Series, Let's Plays, and other Websites
* Grave of the Fireflies, Panty & Stocking with Garterbelt, Death Note, Project A-ko, Haruhi Suzumiya, Hetalia, many other Anime
* United States of Tara, the St. Elsewhere Theory (you know which one)
* Avatar the last Airbender, Kim Possible
* Urinetown, Spamalot
* If on a winter's night a traveler
* Many shout-outs, e.g. the Bumblebee Man
* Marienbad My Love, Rah and the Muggles, all the stuff by Uwe Boll, Heil Honey, I'm Home!, Celebrian, My Immortal, Hogwarts Exposed, Cloud mows the lawn, American Kitsune by David Gonterman, and of course CWC.
* 9 (the Film)
* I'm a Mac and I'm a PC
* Incompetence, the novel
* Sarah Silverman

* Uncanny Valley and many other kinds of Horror, like Exit Mundi
* Deconstruction, as they define it
* Lots about Wrestling
* Lots about Zombie stuff - Marvel Zombies, World War Z, Price and Prejudice and Zombies...
* Some interesting and funny details about science and history
* Many interesting Websites
* Really weird animation series, like Chowder, Aqua Teen Hunger Force, Adventure Time...

As said: We don't say we like or dislike this. We discovered it there, and for some reason remember about it.

Bob Schroeck Wrote:Okay, I've just gotten done with a whole lot of work turning old TVT policy/instructions/etc. pages into ATT pages.  I have cleared out almost everything that used to live in the Main namespace under "About/", leaving only "About/The Second Google Incident" and "About/The Situation" for the moment.  And those two are something I want to query folks on.  I'm thinking it might be better to move them to a "History" section instead of "About", along with the Timeline page and anything else that makes sense.  Oh, and I'm thinking of writing a page for "The Great Hack", as well.  Thoughts, opinions, suggestions?

Next I'm attacking the Administrivia page.  I've started tweaking it as a side effect of moving so many "About" pages into the "All The Tropes" namespace, but I also need to go through all the pages listed there and check the ones I haven't already revised.  Does anyone know of anything in specific from that domain that should be added, removed, or revised?

Bob Schroeck Wrote:My recent work on stuff in the "All The Tropes:" namespace has reminded me... what do we have standing in the way of getting the ATT Page Creator and other scripted things like it from working again? Just curious.

Quote:An error occurred while marking the page as reviewed: [17d418565804d01bd8c883a6] Exception Caught: Cannot notify anonymous user: 73.33.196.34

Bob Schroeck Wrote:Oddly enough, All The Tropes:ATT Page Creator has code more or less identical to that as plain text on the page. I seem to recall that there is something preventing us from just turning that back into working markup, but I can't remember what.

Meanwhile, we have three pages in the New Pages Feed that need to be marked as reviewed, but when you try, it throws an error of the form

Quote:An error occurred while marking the page as reviewed: [17d418565804d01bd8c883a6] Exception Caught: Cannot notify anonymous user: 73.33.196.34

I'm posting this here and in the ATT forums in the hopes that someone knows how to get around it. (I've got one idea which I haven't tried yet, but I figured it can't help to raise a flag on this.)

Edit:  Per Geth, I've posted a request for Miraheze staff to look into this, as he thinks it's a DB issue.    My idea failed to get me the results I wanted anyway.

Oh, and I tried to get the input button markup to work, but it's not marked up as nowiki or anything -- it's just not being interpreted.