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RE: Treason Season?? - Black Aeronaut - 12-24-2018 (12-19-2018, 06:22 AM)Rajvik Wrote:Black Aeronaut Wrote:So, how do you define socialism? Yes, it is a very nuanced thing. And there are many different forms of socialism. We even have a few socialist mechanisms right in our very own Constitution. And I would very dearly love to see the Nordic Model employed in the USA - a model that has thus far proven to be reliable and effective. What do you have to say about that? RE: Treason Season?? - Inquisitive Raven - 12-25-2018 Could you explain Awhat you mean by Nordic Model? Are you talking about something like the system that was developed in Germany under Otto von Bismarck? I certainly wouldn't object to that one. RE: Treason Season?? - Labster - 12-25-2018 (12-17-2018, 03:09 AM)Black Aeronaut Wrote: So, how do you define socialism? RE: Treason Season?? - Rajvik - 12-25-2018 Neither a pure socialist, nor a pure capitalist system ever works. I don't remember where i heard or read that but i do believe its true BA. Capitalism without regulation turns into Oligarchy and Socialism without free business dies the death of Stalinist communism that said, i do not think the Nordic model would fly in the United States for several reasons, but these two strike me as non-starters for pretty much everyone, especially the whole flat tax idea, (which i can stand behind) which has been shot to hell by both sides of the aisle. Wikipedia Wrote:Overall tax burdens (as a percentage of GDP) are high: Sweden (44.1%), Denmark (45.9%) and Finland (44.1%).[24] The Nordic countries have relatively flat tax rates, meaning that even those with medium and low incomes are taxed at relatively high levels First a flat tax, which has been a non-starter for both sides for years, (the liberals because it goes against their class warfare political model and the right because the big business guys know they aren't going to get any deductions while the little guy "knows" that regardless he's going to be footing the bill) and then with either that tax rate or as i figure it, the higher one that would be required to pay the national debt that has built up (note, not service the debt, pay it off in a reasonable amount of time) would put the US's tax rate with this model probably somewhere north of 50% which means that all those companies are going to leave for cheaper pastures. Second, the population is already bitching because our government is spending 21% of our GDP where if we suddenly, (or even gradually) went to this model, we would be spending probably somewhere close to 95% GDP on our social programs. Now, the question is, why do these countries feel they can get away with spending so much on their social programs? The answer is simple, they have had the US footing the bill for their defenses at least since the end of WWII, Finally, look at the Criticism, it points out that the model is heavily dependent on redistribution, which fails in the face of the "lazy man" argument (re: Lazy man argument boils down to this: Why am I going to kill myself to do a good job, when this other guy is as useless as teats on a turtle and gets paid the same as me to do practically nothing. This last is especially true when said idiot gets the same or more due to connections and not hard work) RE: Treason Season?? - Norgarth - 12-26-2018 I'm Canadian, and to me it seems increasingly likely that the USA is doomed to either collapse into anarchy or erupt into civil war. Moderates of either party are steadily decreasing in numbers (or seem to be at least), leading to increasing polarization and outlooks of "There's my side, or the Devil's side". How is the country supposed to accomplish anything if the president seems more interested in tearing down whatever the opposing party has built (while blaming them for any and all problems) rather than try and actually fix/build anything? Not that whatever progress they make would survive the next change of power anyways. RE: Treason Season?? - robkelk - 12-26-2018 (12-25-2018, 10:14 PM)Rajvik Wrote: ... (the liberals because it goes against their class warfare political model ... I think you should stop paying attention to strawmen arguments and look at what liberals actually think of this matter. RE: Treason Season?? - robkelk - 01-17-2019 Michael Cohen says rigging polls 'was at the direction of' Trump RE: Treason Season?? - Bob Schroeck - 01-18-2019 Buzzfeed reports that Trump instructed Cohen to lie to Congress about the Trump Moscow condominium project. And: Quote:“The special counsel’s office learned about Trump’s directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through...internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.”This isn't just "he said-he said", this is from internal Trump documents. As many others are now noting, suborning perjury is the textbook example of obstruction, and first article of impeachment against Richard Nixon was explicitly for instructing others to lie to Congress. EDIT: Or maybe not. According to the Washington Examiner: Quote:UPDATE: The reporters didn't see the documents, we should note. They spoke to sources who say the documents exist. Also, one of the Buzzfeed reporters, Jason Leopold, has copped to inventing sources in the past. The other reporter, Anthony Cormier, says they have sources beyond the two who were willing to talk "on the record."We'll have to wait and see if this is the real deal, or another false trail. RE: Treason Season?? - Bob Schroeck - 01-18-2019 From Wired: Trump Must Be a Russian Agent; the Alternative Is Too Awful RE: Treason Season?? - hazard - 01-18-2019 If Trump really is a Russian agent, and there's little reason to doubt that he's been compromised somehow and to some extent, that's the highest placed Russian agent I've ever heard of. The guy who would otherwise be the highest is some West German cabinet member whom was the second in command after the Chancellor IIRC. RE: Treason Season?? - Bob Schroeck - 01-18-2019 Follow up on the Buzzfeed stuff. Most news outlets are taking it very seriously. Even the Washington Examiner article I quoted was taking it seriously, while pointing out that it needed verification. RE: Treason Season?? - robkelk - 01-18-2019 CBC Analysis: Giuliani changes his public position twice in the two days Giuliani went from his position last July on FOX News that "there was no collusion with the Russians whatsoever on behalf of the Trump campaign" (not his words, but when said to him he said "Correct") to his position Wednesday on CNN that "I never said there was no collusion between the campaign or between people in the campaign" (his words - he didn't say it, but he agreed in public when somebody else said it) to his position Thursday on Twitter that "I can only speak of what I know, and that is that I have no knowledge that anyone on the campaign illegally colluded with Russia" (his words). Quote:The sharp reversal is "very grave," said Harry Litman, a former U.S. attorney and deputy assistant attorney general. From the order of events presented in the article, Litman's statement appears to have been made before Giuliani's tweet. Quote:Giuliani may be expecting a cascade of damaging new evidence in the coming weeks that might point to collusion. Under Canadian law, that can be considered to be bribery - just ask Mike Duffy. (Wikipedia link) Funny how that happened under a conservative government ... there must be something to the idea that the USA keeps getting what Canada had a half-decade or more earlier. (Maybe your next President will legalize cannabis use?) Quote:Giuliani might have good reason to try to change the collusion narrative, given what's expected to come. He has reportedly said he expects Mueller's findings to be "horrific" for Trump. I'd say all we need now is missing 18-and-a-half minutes of tape, but I've been told that there's a report that Trump took his translator's notes away from him... so it looking to me a lot like 1972-4 all over again. (Wikipedia link) RE: Treason Season?? - Labster - 01-19-2019 Mueller's office issued a rare public statement that the Buzzfeed report got some of the details in its story wrong. What details? That's an exercise left to the reader. It could be like Woodward and Bernstein in Watergate, who messed up one story by misattributing their sources. It could be that all of the supposed evidence doesn't really exist, and it's only Cohen's claim -- a claim from a known liar. Or maybe Trump didn't do it. The net effect of which is that we're back where we were on Monday this week, almost. Yesterday, the pitchforks were out, and today they go back in the barn, but we're still a little angry, and a lot frustrated. It's frustrating how little we know. With Nixon, Congress could pretty much reveal evidence as they found it. Here, it's a national security investigation, and lives are on the line. Gotta protect "sources and methods" of our spies. RE: Treason Season?? - robkelk - 01-19-2019 Not quite back to last weekend - Giuliani's flip-flopping gives a reason (not an excuse) to continue the investigation. It's now in Trump's best interests to be either cleared or indicted. (Whether he realizes that is another matter altogether, of course.) RE: Treason Season?? - robkelk - 02-22-2019 (03-17-2018, 09:05 AM)robkelk Wrote:(03-17-2018, 02:34 AM)Labster Wrote: ...That was extremely petty of Trump ... and it removed any externally-imposed reason that McCabe might have had to not testify against Trump. Apparently, nothing. To make up for the lost pension, he's written a book. And he refuses to say whether Trump is or is not a Russian asset From the interview: Quote:McCabe also claims that Trump told him, "I heard you were part of the resistance" that didn't approve of Comey's leadership and his treatment of the Clinton email case. RE: Treason Season?? - SilverFang01 - 02-27-2019 Today Cohen testified before the House Oversight Comittee and it was quite interesting. Chairman Cummins made it clear that he intends to excercise meaningful oversight over the presidency. And it was clear that the GOP representatives were angry that they could not get away with petty procedural maneuvering games anymore, flare ups of Clinton Derangement Syndrome (someday a cure will be found), some self-owns, etc. It is clear that the GOP representatives present have never been part of a minority and didn’t know how to handle it. What do you guys think? RE: Treason Season?? - robkelk - 02-27-2019 So... Today, someone who was trusted enough by the current leader of the country to be put into a position of great responsibility - a position no longer filled by that person - was on the Hill, in front of a House committee, giving testimony that could cost said leader the next election (keep in mind that none of the testimony has been proven in court). Everyone on the House committee treated her with respect. But enough about Canadian politics. So... Today, someone who was trusted enough by the current leader of the country to be put into a position of great responsibility - a position no longer filled by that person - was on the Hill, in front of a House committee, giving testimony that could cost said leader the next election (keep in mind that none of the testimony has been proven in court). At least one member of the House committee decided that an ad hominen attack was appropriate. I trust that the way I phrased that tells what I think about the matter south of the border. Oh, yes: If Cohen really is a "pathological liar", what does that say about the person who used to be his employer? RE: Treason Season?? - robkelk - 03-07-2019 Michael Cohen sues Trump Organization, claiming nearly $2M in unpaid fees Quote:Cohen said the organization has refused to pay any of his legal fees or costs since May 2018, and owed him almost $2 million as of Jan. 25. Quote:Cohen told Congress last week that Trump was a racist, a liar and a con man. So... Cohen is complaining that somebody who he himself claims is "a con man" hasn't paid him? RE: Treason Season?? - hazard - 03-07-2019 I think Cohen is expecting he won't get his money back. But this is still going to be really annoying to Trump, who now has to pay a lawyer to argue for him about this matter. RE: Treason Season?? - classicdrogn - 03-07-2019 Plus, this puts him in the proactive, attacking position, and as we all know the side that's attacking is always correct (when it comes to politics and scandals in the public eye) even more so because it also frames him as the victim in the very same stroke, and obviously only a bad person would pick on someone who was already a victim. RE: Treason Season?? - Labster - 03-22-2019 Well, it's finally over. Mueller is done, so it's all over but the shouting. Gonna be a lot of shouting, though. RE: Treason Season?? - Dartz - 03-22-2019 Somehow I doubt it'll have the conclusion anybody wants. RE: Treason Season?? - Rajvik - 03-22-2019 I'm going to point something out here, Mueller's report is supposed to lay out the evidence, (or lack there of) of the accused crime, it is not his job to say guilty or not. I'm sure both sides will have plenty to shout over RE: Treason Season?? - Black Aeronaut - 03-22-2019 Very true. Just because there were no further indictments does not mean that there isn't something damning in his report. Sit back and relax, folks. This is gonna take a while. RE: Treason Season?? - robkelk - 03-22-2019 Us old fogeys have at least vague memories of how long it took to go from "somebody broke into an office at Watergate" to Nixon resigning before he could be impeached. Unlike Watergate, this case has national security undertones... so I'm expecting it'll take even longer. |