(09-17-2021, 03:18 AM)Labster Wrote: We should probably change that since I never check that email.  Now that Miraheze runs a mail server maybe we should just give them the MX record and ask them for accounts.

(09-17-2021, 06:20 AM)LulzKiller Wrote:

(09-17-2021, 03:18 AM)Labster Wrote: We should probably change that since I never check that email.  Now that Miraheze runs a mail server maybe we should just give them the MX record and ask them for accounts.

You should probably also check the email for any notices that we've failed to apply/counter-claim.

(09-17-2021, 08:08 AM)robkelk Wrote: I didn't notice that one.

Should we refer that statement to our lawyers?

(09-17-2021, 03:28 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: That, in fact, was much the same way I was thinking.  Brent has a good relationship with Drew, maybe we can ask for a little top-down help.

Besides, do we actually have lawyers?

(09-17-2021, 12:43 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: I thought he was... I hadn't heard anything to the contrary.

We may have good relations with the guys who own TVT now... but that doesn't seem to have bubbled down to the mods, who are still prone to calling us perverts and plagiarists.

EDIT:  Did a quick check.  There are Reddit threads about dealing with Fighteer from as recently as a year ago.  And article at believermag.com from March cites him as a current mod.

And Fighteer still has an active Troper page at TVT, but without an account I can't look at his edit history to see how recently he's done anything.

(09-17-2021, 05:05 PM)GethN7 Wrote:

(09-17-2021, 12:43 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: I thought he was... I hadn't heard anything to the contrary.

We may have good relations with the guys who own TVT now... but that doesn't seem to have bubbled down to the mods, who are still prone to calling us perverts and plagiarists.

EDIT:  Did a quick check.  There are Reddit threads about dealing with Fighteer from as recently as a year ago.  And article at believermag.com from March cites him as a current mod.

And Fighteer still has an active Troper page at TVT, but without an account I can't look at his edit history to see how recently he's done anything.

Yes, Fighteer is still a current mod, can confirm.

And last I and Fighteer talked, we are civil if nothing else. I can't speak for anyone else.

(09-17-2021, 05:32 PM)LulzKiller Wrote:

(09-17-2021, 05:05 PM)GethN7 Wrote:

(09-17-2021, 12:43 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: I thought he was... I hadn't heard anything to the contrary.

We may have good relations with the guys who own TVT now... but that doesn't seem to have bubbled down to the mods, who are still prone to calling us perverts and plagiarists.

EDIT:  Did a quick check.  There are Reddit threads about dealing with Fighteer from as recently as a year ago.  And article at believermag.com from March cites him as a current mod.

And Fighteer still has an active Troper page at TVT, but without an account I can't look at his edit history to see how recently he's done anything.

Yes, Fighteer is still a current mod, can confirm.

And last I and Fighteer talked, we are civil if nothing else. I can't speak for anyone else.

If you have a tvt account, could you help https://allthetropes.org/wiki/Topic:Wgr3rz692hm90q4a with his edit history question, TVT restricts history for unknown reasons.

(09-17-2021, 06:23 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: Anyway, back to the earlier point.  Can we see if Drew is amenable to getting TVT mods to stop calling us perverts and plagiarists, and maybe even get some apologies for past mudslinging?

(09-17-2021, 06:51 PM)LulzKiller Wrote:

(09-17-2021, 06:23 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: Anyway, back to the earlier point.  Can we see if Drew is amenable to getting TVT mods to stop calling us perverts and plagiarists, and maybe even get some apologies for past mudslinging?

I'm not stopping you or any other bureaucrat opening up the dialogue with him; whether he cares about an insult 5/6 years ago is a different matter.

(09-17-2021, 06:58 PM)robkelk Wrote:

(09-17-2021, 06:51 PM)LulzKiller Wrote:

(09-17-2021, 06:23 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: Anyway, back to the earlier point.  Can we see if Drew is amenable to getting TVT mods to stop calling us perverts and plagiarists, and maybe even get some apologies for past mudslinging?

I'm not stopping you or any other bureaucrat opening up the dialogue with him; whether he cares about an insult 5/6 years ago is a different matter.

It isn't just an insult - it's an insult that's linked from Wikidata, which purports to be a repository of usable information fo0r identifying people, places, and things. Which, if somebody takes what's linked from Wikidata as gospel, makes it potentially actionable as defamation of character.

I have no idea how to contact Drew. It'll have to be one of the other bureaucrats who opens this dialogue.

(09-17-2021, 07:20 PM)GethN7 Wrote: FYI, when Fighteer made his original comment, this was before we markedly improved our relations and since then Fighteer has been a markedly more civil and reasonable person about us, and has even initiated a few takedown requests of ourselves being plagiarized in good faith on his end.

I suggest we ask the creator of the Wikidata page to be made aware of our legal status and that what they linked to is not substantiated at present in any legal sense

Also, I'm getting 503s at the moment, but I already know how to fix the Firing One-Handed page examples. As an amateur gun nut, even I know unless it's a Desert Eagle on up, most pistols and revolvers can be realistically fired one-handed, and even the super-high calibers can be fired one-handed if you are exceptionally strong, you just might beat up your wrist and shoulder and your accuracy will suck. When it's working better, I'll blowtorch all improper examples and leave a mod note at the start of that section how to avoid improper examples in the future.