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- robkelk - 10-20-2010
K-On! / Naruto
Because if it ever happened, the band would be called "Hokage Teatime"...
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- azunth - 10-20-2010
Take Neon Genesis Evangelinon, Buffy the Vampire Slayers' seventh season (the whole first evil thing), and Persona 3. Now have them all happen in the same city, simultaneously. Then start a betting pool about which imminent apocalypse hits first.
- Black Aeronaut - 10-20-2010
... Summarize Persona 3 please?
- Acyl - 10-20-2010
Quote:[b]blackaeronaut wrote:[/b]TL;DR version: Persona 3, high school students fight a secret war against an occult threat, with the psychic ability to manifest their own personalities and angst.
... Summarize Persona 3 please?
Long version: Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3's a JRPG. It's part of the broader Megami Tensei series, dungeon crawlers set in a modern or future era. Persona is about high school students who attend classes by day...but fight the supernatural by night. Gameplay is a mixture of high school life sim and dungeon crawler RPG. The series theme is psychological issues and trauma - human flaws, angst, and so on. But it also focuses on friendship between the heroes - the positive message of standing with your best friends against the darkness.
In Persona 3, the threat is the Dark Hour. Every night the city goes still. Unknown to most people, creatures emerge to nomnomnom on the minds of people. The heroes of Persona 3 are a group of students that call themselves the Specialized Extracurricular Execution Squad, or SEES. Each night during the Dark Hour, they descend into Tartarus and fight evil, both with regular weapons and with their persona powers. Ultimately they triumph, but at great personal cost to many of the heroes.
In the series, heroes have the power to manifest their persona as summoned creatures, giving them powers. In the later Persona games, characters each have their own unique persona, which corresponds to their personality. The Persona 3 character Junpei is a wannabe ladies-man, impulsive, plays the fool a lot...and he summons Hermes, the messenger of the gods. Persona 3 is infamous because the persona summon animation involves shooting yourself in the head with a spectral handgun - the gun animation is controversial, and hasn't been used in subsequent Persona games.
It's worth noting that Buffy/Persona is really more of a crossover that should be, because they have pretty much the same broad theme... a bunch of dysfunctional teenagers trying to deal with school life, while at the same time having to carry out this nightly secret war against a supernatural threat. Evangelion also meshes well with Persona..the Persona universe is literally one where your angst translates into psychic powers, and everything has a Western occult theme (Kabbalistic stuff for Evangelion, the Tarot for Persona).
(I apologise for the multiple edits, I kept making non-spellcheck errors, repeated words, bad grammar, etc.)
-- Acyl
- Bluemage - 10-20-2010
Acyl Wrote:It's worth noting that Buffy/Persona is really more of a crossover that should be, because they have pretty much the same broad theme... a bunch of dysfunctional teenagers trying to deal with school life, while at the same time having to carry out this nightly secret war against a supernatural threat. Evangelion also meshes well with Persona..the Persona universe is literally one where your angst translates into psychic powers, and everything has a Western occult theme (Kabbalistic stuff for Evangelion, the Tarot for Persona).Now imagine Eva/Persona 4.
If I remember correctly, angst doesn't translate directly into psychic powers in P4. Accepting it, and coming to an understanding of the darkest parts of your own psyche, does.
Consider what would happen to the Eva cast if they were well on the way to recovering from their assorted mental issues- more than that, if by putting themselves on the road to recovery, they had become powerful enough to effect some real change.
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- Necratoid - 10-20-2010
So the pilots have to fight random encounters instead of do sync tests and the entire class is available party members... and this is all tangential to the Kaiju fights... so in effect the your adding a running gag in which Rei keeps Tanging people and they keep getting back up (Groups are to small to keep them down), but knowing embarassing things plus the whole naked in public thing... so your giving the cast more busy work combat and Nerv keeps getting sued for laundry bills?
Besides changing the End of Eva so that the class is yelling at Rei for doing it yet again.. on a grand scale no less. Meanwhile, one or more of the white mage equivalents is stapling Asuka back together. What was the point again?
- Acyl - 10-20-2010
Quote:Bluemage wrote:Yeah, in Persona 4, characters unlock their persona powers after having to confront their own issues. Or having to face unpleasant truths, etc, that sorta thing. Of course, this usually takes the form of BIG MENTAL BOSS BATTLEZ in P4, but hey, the point stands.
If I remember correctly, angst doesn't translate directly into psychic powers in P4. Accepting it, and coming to an understanding of the darkest parts of your own psyche, does.
Consider what would happen to the Eva cast if they were well on the way to recovering from their assorted mental issues- more than that, if by putting themselves on the road to recovery, they had become powerful enough to effect some real change.
Honestly, before the I knew about the whole End of Evangelion 'hey everyone is tang, okay' thing, when I watched the original Eva TV series on disc...I'd assumed the last episodes of Evangelion, the whole abstract weirdness thing... to be everyone coming to terms with their issues. Particularly Shinji. I mean, it ends with an image of Shinji standing at the centre of a crowd, and the whole cast applauding. It's actually a pretty positive visual.
Clearly, after that, he can summon the persona of a giant mythical penguin god. Or something.
-- Acyl
- azunth - 10-20-2010
Necratoid Wrote:So the pilots have to fight random encounters instead of do sync tests and the entire class is available party members... and this is all tangential to the Kaiju fights... so in effect the your adding a running gag in which Rei keeps Tanging people and they keep getting back up (Groups are to small to keep them down), but knowing embarassing things plus the whole naked in public thing... so your giving the cast more busy work combat and Nerv keeps getting sued for laundry bills?Are you talking about Persona 3 or Persona 4, here? How Persona 3 and Eva go together is very hard to explain without massive spoilers from both series, unfortunately. My idea was running the plots of both parallel, rather than mixing the two together. SEES and NERV would be separate organizations. The Pilots would fight Angels, and SEES fights Shadows. Where the interesting interactions come from is what both groups don't tell (or just fail to mention) the kids on the front line.
Besides changing the End of Eva so that the class is yelling at Rei for doing it yet again.. on a grand scale no less. Meanwhile, one or more of the white mage equivalents is stapling Asuka back together. What was the point again?
With Persona 4, the plot revolves around finding a serial killer who's MO is to throw people through TV screens into the "TV world", where they're eventually confronted by their Shadow, which is the incarnation of all their repressed thoughts. Denying their shadow prompts it to kill it's owner, who's body is eventually dumped back into the real world. Accepting this shadow is what gives a person a Persona. The heroes of Persona 4 are a group is students, who blunder into the TV world and end up figuring out the killers MO. They then decide to try to find the murder and find the truth, while periodically staging rescue missons when someone is thrown into the TV world. There's a big emphasis throughout the game on searching for the truth, and not settling for easy answers.
Now let's assume that the murderer and the heroes of Persona 4 don't know any of the big secrets about NERV, while NERV and SEELE are completely ignorant of Personae, and run the plots of both parallel. The heroes of Persona 4 are practically tailor-made for derailing Gendo's and SEELE's plans. First, The process of accepting one's shadow very, very likely to cause a jump in a Pilot's Synch Ratio, especially in the case of Asuka. The same process also is a trigger for people to start getting over their own issues and mental problems, which Gendo relies on to control people. Second, Having a bunch of magic-using teenagers poking around NERV looking for a murder is bound to cause fireworks, one way or another. Third The mere presence Souji Seta (the player controlled character of Persona 4) is the equivalent of setting a world-renowned therapist loose on Eva.
- Necratoid - 10-20-2010
Clearly, after that, he can summon the persona of a giant mythical penguin god. Or something.
So the Legendary Pringer X as driven by his mom? The very bad thing of summoning Overlord Baal? Chilly Willy?
Edit: I was applying that to kind of scenario to Eva. I'm not more that tangentially acquainted with Persona. Seriously, releasing Rei's inner issues means sicking Lillith on people... continent sized naked Rei with people melting powers.
- Black Aeronaut - 10-21-2010
... I think this needs to be moved into the MUST BE thread. (^_^)
- Wiregeek - 10-21-2010
Quote:With Persona 4, the plot revolves around finding a serial killer who's MO is to throw people through TV screens into the "TV world", where they're eventually confronted by their Shadow, which is the incarnation of all their repressed thoughts.
Now, the comedy comes in when you get someone who doesn't repress their thoughts. Like, say, Dexter, for instance. The Shadow then becomes, metaphysically speaking, his bitch, and shit gets _interesting_
"No can brain today. Want cheezeburger."
From NGE: Nobody Dies, by Gregg Landsman
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5579457/1/NGE_Nobody_Dies
- Bluemage - 10-22-2010
Wiredgeek Wrote:What, he gets his Persona without a fight?Quote:With Persona 4, the plot revolves around finding a serial killer who's MO is to throw people through TV screens into the "TV world", where they're eventually confronted by their Shadow, which is the incarnation of all their repressed thoughts.Now, the comedy comes in when you get someone who doesn't repress their thoughts. Like, say, Dexter, for instance. The Shadow then becomes, metaphysically speaking, his bitch, and shit gets _interesting_
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I've been writing a bit.
- Jorlem - 10-22-2010
Bluemage Wrote:If a person doesn't have any repressed thoughts, would that person even have a Shadow?Wiredgeek Wrote:What, he gets his Persona without a fight?Quote:With Persona 4, the plot revolves around finding a serial killer who's MO is to throw people through TV screens into the "TV world", where they're eventually confronted by their Shadow, which is the incarnation of all their repressed thoughts.Now, the comedy comes in when you get someone who doesn't repress their thoughts. Like, say, Dexter, for instance. The Shadow then becomes, metaphysically speaking, his bitch, and shit gets _interesting_
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Stand between the Silver Crystal and the Golden Sea.
"Youngsters these days just have no appreciation for the magnificence of the legendary cucumber." --Krityan Elder, Tales of Vesperia.
- Wiregeek - 10-22-2010
Depends on whether a shadow is an internal manifestation enabled by the 'creepy aura' in the Personaverse, or an external manifestation tapping into the subconscious of the individual in question.
If the first case, Dexter gets to take a nap. If the second, Dexter is now the God King of an Army of Undead Servants.
"No can brain today. Want cheezeburger."
From NGE: Nobody Dies, by Gregg Landsman
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5579457/1/NGE_Nobody_Dies
- azunth - 10-22-2010
Wiredgeek Wrote:Depends on whether a shadow is an internal manifestation enabled by the 'creepy aura' in the Personaverse, or an external manifestation tapping into the subconscious of the individual in question.*Research* Ok, given my (shaky) grasp Persona and it's parent series Shin Megami Tensei, Persona is an internal manifestation. The TV world just makes it possible.
If the first case, Dexter gets to take a nap. If the second, Dexter is now the God King of an Army of Undead Servants.
- robkelk - 10-23-2010
(Attempting to break up the discussion and get some more bad crossovers posted...)
Jake and Elwood Banzai - the Blues Blazers!
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- Ebony - 10-23-2010
robkelk Wrote:(Attempting to break up the discussion and get some more bad crossovers posted...)"It's a hundred and six miles to New Jersey. We've got half a tank of gas, an oscillation overthruster; it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses."
Jake and Elwood Banzai - the Blues Blazers!
"No matter where you go, there you are. Hit it."
Ebony the Black Dragon
http://ebony14.livejournal.com
"Good night, and may the Good Lord take a Viking to you."
- Duane Peters - 10-23-2010
Ebony Wrote:"Illinois Lectroids."robkelk Wrote:(Attempting to break up the discussion and get some more bad crossovers posted...)"It's a hundred and six miles to New Jersey. We've got half a tank of gas, an oscillation overthruster; it's dark, and we're wearing sunglasses."
Jake and Elwood Banzai - the Blues Blazers!
"No matter where you go, there you are. Hit it."
"I *hate* Illinois Lectroids."
"Laugh-a while you can, monkey-boys."
(Announcement system) "Lithium is no longer available on credit."
- Bluemage - 10-23-2010
Illinois Metroids?
My Unitarian Jihad Name is: Brother Atom Bomb of Courteous Debate. Get yours.
I've been writing a bit.
- Necratoid - 10-23-2010
Isn't that why Al Capone gave up on summoning magic?
You know he had to join the mob to get enough to pay off the armored bounty hunter last time... then it made him summon its ship... now he pays half his profits to it so it'll leave him alone... wonders where the vault he stores all that cash in is.
- Bob Schroeck - 10-23-2010
Quote:Jake and Elwood Banzai - the Blues Blazers!Put them in Fenspace, now!
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
- The Wanderer - 10-26-2010
We've replaced the teenage Dexter Douglas with the teenage Dexter Morgan. Let's see what happens.
- Sweno - 10-26-2010
is douglas the dexter from "dexter's laboratory"? if so, if fear for dee-dee
-Terry
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"so listen up boy, or pornography starring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today"
TF2: Spy
- Jorlem - 10-26-2010
No, its the guy that turns into Freakazoid.
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Stand between the Silver Crystal and the Golden Sea.
"Youngsters these days just have no appreciation for the magnificence of the legendary cucumber." --Krityan Elder, Tales of Vesperia.
- Proginoskes - 10-26-2010
From the latest New Fic Recommendations thread:
Quote:ECSNorwayNot having read one word of the above fic, I immediately thought that this should be a timeslip AU wherein Harry becomes involved in the game by Linden Labs.
wrote:
http://www.tthfanfic.org/...+and+the+Second+Life.htm
Harry
Potter and the Second Life.
Standard Peggy Sue setup, with a twist. Harry wakes up in an alt-u where
his parents survived the war.. and Neville Longbottom is the
Boy-Who-Lived. And Draco is a hot girl who actually likes Harry.
