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Sweeping Anime/Manga/Game Censorship Laws Passed - Epsilon - 12-14-2010 http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2010/12/1 ... an-passes/ Warning, Sankakua Complex is NSFW! Also, maybe a bit hyperbolic in their predictions and anaylsis. Quote:Tokyo’s ban on anime, manga and games featuring “virtual crimes” orThe idea that these people are aiming to suppress drawn kiddie porn but not actual photographic kiddie porn is sickening (I hate both, but one involves actual harm to actual children). Also, not really surprised this is being used to target gay people and those friendly to them. Still, maybe Sankaku is wrong in some of their analysis here (they aren't the most reliable reporters). Anyone have links to other more thoughtful analysis? ----------------- Epsilon - robkelk - 12-14-2010 When reading Sankaku Complex, never forget that they have a definite anti-control bias. Perhaps http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/20 ... -committee]the Anime News Network article would be a better cite...? Quote:The general affairs committee of the Tokyo Metropolitan Assembly has approved the government's revised bill to amend the Youth Healthy Development Ordinance on Monday afternoon. Bill 156 will then go before the full assembly for a vote on Wednesday. Now, maybe I'm reading that incorrectly, maybe there's a flaw in that story, or maybe the original report is in error. But what I'm getting out of this is that, in Tokyo, sales of what we would call "18+" material will be restricted to people aged 18+. How is this a bad thing? -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Epsilon - 12-14-2010 Quote:robkelk wrote:For one thing, "what happens in Tokyo happens everywhere" is in play. Tokyo is the single biggest market for these products, so if the restriction applies there than expect it to apply to all anime. Especially since it potentially covers broadcast and internet stuff as well. It's similar to the Walmart problem in the States. If Walmart won't carry your game, your game is going to do extremely poorly. Now, if the only effect of these was to reduce the number of panty-shots and furo-scenes and so on I would be the first to say "and nothing of value was lost". My opinions on the excessive use of rape and lolicon in anime are well known and I would like them to be gone. However this prospect is entirely too broad. Considering the principle people behind it have gone on record as saying that gay people are aberrant and disgusting giving these people sweeping power to drive works involving LGBT themes out of the mainstream is a bad idea. And it would drive the stuff out of the mainstream. Look at the American ratings system and how much the "kiss of death" the A rating is to any product. ----------------- Epsilon - robkelk - 12-14-2010 Yeah. It looks like the translations I'd seen were mistranslations, and the goal of this legislation may be to suppress depiction of homosexual activity. One of the places where I do agree with Pierre Trudeau is that the state has no business in the bedrooms of the nation - this is bad law. -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Morganite - 12-14-2010 I'm not sure how to interpret this deliberate exclusion of real-life photography. -Morgan. - s3yang - 12-14-2010 Morganni Wrote:I'm not sure how to interpret this deliberate exclusion of real-life photography.I interpret it this way: Somewhere in the Japanese government, there is a council member that needs to be shot. Repeatedly. - Black Aeronaut - 12-14-2010 Actually, I see it as a bit of intelligence on their part. They already have laws about photographic child pornography. The fact that they sign the same accords in regards to at what age someone is considered an adult and what rights children have guarantees this. (Although culture in Japan says you're not an adult until you're 20.) Why write additional laws for something you already have in place? It's kinda the same problem we have with gun control laws in the US - there's usually pretty good laws in place already if only prosecutors and DA's would think to use them. Finally, I have no issue with the idea. All they're really talking about it sticking all the adult material in its proper place. And in Japan, something that we consider 'Adult' is relatively mild in comparison as their nudity taboos are not as strict. We'll still have manga that have plenty of panty shots and other slight degrees of ecchi out there in the general selection areas. It'll mostly be the really questionable stuff that will wind up in the back room, like maybe Nagasarete Airontou - the manga is a lot more risque than the anime! - Morganite - 12-14-2010 The problem is, this sounds like it may not just regulate content that can really be called "adult". Translation makes it hard to tell for sure, but Shueisha's opposition to it makes me concerned. Add to that that a panel with such a vague-sounding mandate could easily lead to "what I don't like is prohibited"... Well, it's certainly something to keep a wary eye on. -Morgan. - Black Aeronaut - 12-14-2010 Don't worry too much. If Japan is big on one thing, it's moderation. Believe it or not, all their eccentricities aside, the average Niponjin likes being in the happy middle. Extremism in any direction is as unwelcome as a bull in a china shop. I don't see the any issues, but I'll keep an eye on things. - Jorlem - 12-15-2010 blackaeronaut Wrote:Don't worry too much. If Japan is big on one thing, it's moderation. Believe it or not, all their eccentricities aside, the average Niponjin likes being in the happy middle. Extremism in any direction is as unwelcome as a bull in a china shop. I don't see the any issues, but I'll keep an eye on things.We'll count on you to keep this under control then. Thanks. ----- Stand between the Silver Crystal and the Golden Sea. "Youngsters these days just have no appreciation for the magnificence of the legendary cucumber." --Krityan Elder, Tales of Vesperia. - Epsilon - 12-15-2010 Morganni Wrote:The problem is, this sounds like it may not just regulate content that can really be called "adult". Translation makes it hard to tell for sure, but Shueisha's opposition to it makes me concerned. Add to that that a panel with such a vague-sounding mandate could easily lead to "what I don't like is prohibited"...Yep, the major problem is the broad sweeping mandate given to these people that is fairly poorly defined. It's designed to have a chilling effect on publishers, since it mainly punishes publishers (through an elaborate system of private and public shaming systems). The mandate is defined such that the board could implement it capriciously as they want to. This encourages publishers to shoot for an even more conservative output than the system is supposedly targeted at. Given the obvious and not-concealed political and ideological ideas of the people behind this it kind of stinks. It's the Comics Code Authority. ---------------- Epsilon - Jorlem - 02-12-2011 Sorry for the necro, but I thought some of you might be interested in knowing that this story made it to the New York Times. ( http://www.nytimes.com/20...ness/global/10manga.html ) The article seems a little bit slanted to me, knowing what I know from the other articles posted on the subject. Also, as a side note, great job on timliness, nytimes. ----- Stand between the Silver Crystal and the Golden Sea. "Youngsters these days just have no appreciation for the magnificence of the legendary cucumber." --Krityan Elder, Tales of Vesperia. |