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Franklin expedition artifacts discovered - robkelk - 09-09-2014
http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/frankli ... -1.2760311
Details expected later today.
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- robkelk - 09-10-2014
Not just artifacts - they found one of the ships!
I know some folks are going "meh" to this news... but, damnit, this is important.
- It strengthens the Canadian claim (or, at least, a Commonwealth claim) to the Northwest Passage, which makes any possible Russian claim less valid.
- Also, "the wreck of the HMS Erebus" and "the wreck of the HMS Terror" are two National Historic Sites that we didn't actually know the sites of; this discovery cuts that list in half. Which half, we don't know - yet.
EDIT: Oh, and the story is so thoroughly entwined with the Canadian identity.
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- zero sum mgame - 09-14-2014
Any excuse to put that song in people's heads is a good one.
- robkelk - 09-12-2016
(Blows dust off thread)
It looks like the found the other ship!
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/hms ... -1.3758400
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- DHBirr - 09-12-2016
Interesting turn of phrase: the article uses the words "pristine condition" but also mentions oral tradition that the ship was "crushed in ice." Pristinely crushed?
Yes, I understand that in archaeology etc. phrases like "practically undamaged" don't mean quite the same thing they do in everyday life, but I still find it amusing.
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Considering that one dictionary definition of "carry on" is to "behave or speak in a foolish, excited, or improper manner," the designers of that famous poster, "Keep Calm and Carry On," need to make up their flippin' minds!
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Big Brother is watching you. And damn, you are so bloody BORING.
- robkelk - 09-12-2016
Just noticed that, if anybody bothered to pay attention to the natives, they would have found the HMS Terror in Terror Bay decades ago.
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- DHBirr - 09-13-2016
The Terror is in Terror Bay. This is so appropriate that it sounds like a joke. Who's buried in Grant's Tomb?
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Big Brother is watching you. And damn, you are so bloody BORING.
- Pyeknu - 09-13-2016
LOL!
- Black Aeronaut - 09-13-2016
This is all kinds of cool and awesome.
- robkelk - 09-26-2016
It's now confirmed that the wreck is the Terror:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/hms ... -1.3779127
Although if a particular expedition had a camera at the time, we would have known this six years ago:
http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/sam ... -1.3763653
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012