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Querying the hivemend - what are these Gundams? - robkelk - 02-21-2015
I make no apologies for not being a "mechahead" anime fan, but that means I don't know exactly which Gundam each of these is supposed to be... Can anyone ID them for me, please?
1) http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/fre ... ute/693324
2) http://www.turbosquid.com/3d-models/fre ... del/304772
3) http://www.turbosquid.com/FullPreview/I ... /ID/350037
EDIT: And a set for the MACROSS fans to ID without using the Robotech names, if you could:
A) http://www.sharecg.com/v/11651/
B) http://www.sharecg.com/v/11406/
C) http://www.sharecg.com/v/11653/
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- Dartz - 02-21-2015
The first 'gundam' seems to an original to the modellor. They call it the Absolute Gundam. The aesthetic seems to match Wing Gundam, with a little bit of 00 thrown in.
The other two escape me, and might be similar.
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- GethN7 - 02-22-2015
the second Macross mech is called a Destroid monster in both Macross/Robotech.
The third one looks like a YF-1S Valkyrie with an Armor Pack in Battiloid mode, but don't quote me on that.
- DeputyJones - 02-22-2015
The three Gundam mecha are entirely fanmade, though the third's chest portion is based on the Deathscythe and the first's on the Exia.
The second of the Destroids (all non-transformables in Macross and non-humanoid non-transformables in Robotech) is indeed called the Monster in both series, while the first Destroid is called the Raidar-X in Robotech and the Defender in Macross, and the final Destroid is called the Excalibur in Robotech and the Tomahawk in Macross.
- Logan Darklighter - 02-22-2015
Interesting notes in regards to the Tomahawk and the Defender.
They (as well as the drum-missile armed Phalanx) all share the exact same lower torso/legs.
And In the original Macross they were not nuclear powered or "over-technology" powered. The Green and white Spartan Mecha (Archers in Battletech) and the Monster were Nuclear/OT powered like the Valks.
But the 3 low-end old-tech Destroids mentioned above? They were REALLY old tech!
They were DIESEL powered! No really! I'm not kidding!
They did have sealed systems and on-board oxidizer to mix with the fuel. But they really were powered by Diesel Engines!
So if you ever wondered what was the WORST mecha to be piloting in the original series? It's one of those 3.
Getting assigned to pilot one of those? It's like getting assigned to the 3rd Bridge of the Yamato in the original 70s/80s series. Or being a standard GM pilot in Gundam. ^^;;;
- robkelk - 02-22-2015
Thanks for the help, everyone.
(I can never be sure with Gundams, since there are so many of them...)
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- ECSNorway - 02-23-2015
Quote:Logan Darklighter wrote:Uhm, er, what da fuq?
But the 3 low-end old-tech Destroids mentioned above? They were REALLY old tech!
They were DIESEL powered! No really! I'm not kidding!
They did have sealed systems and on-board oxidizer to mix with the fuel. But they really were powered by Diesel Engines!
Not only no, but hells no. They were all nuclear powered. They had a backup power supply that was basically a fuel cell, but they were never, ever, ever, diesel powered.
You may be thinking of 'Fang of the Sun Dougram', which supplied most of the other mecha that went into early Battletech.
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- robkelk - 02-23-2015
ECSNorway Wrote:I thought the Zentradi didn't have nuclear tech ...? Or was it just nuclear weaponry that they didn't have (and were so surprised that Humanity had "reaction weapons")?Quote:Logan Darklighter wrote:But the 3 low-end old-tech Destroids mentioned above? They were REALLY old tech!Uhm, er, what da fuq?
They were DIESEL powered! No really! I'm not kidding!
They did have sealed systems and on-board oxidizer to mix with the fuel. But they really were powered by Diesel Engines!
Not only no, but hells no. They were all nuclear powered. They had a backup power supply that was basically a fuel cell, but they were never, ever, ever, diesel powered.
You may be thinking of 'Fang of the Sun Dougram', which supplied most of the other mecha that went into early Battletech.
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- robkelk - 02-23-2015
One more that looks like it's from Macross - is it?
Model: http://www.sharecg.com/v/11649/gallery/ ... -for-Poser
Texture set: http://www.sharecg.com/v/11650/gallery/ ... ture-Set-1
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them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- Logan Darklighter - 02-23-2015
Yes, the Phalanx is from Macross - it's probably the most obscure Human-side mecha from the original show. As I mentioned above, it shares the lower torso and legs of the Defender and Tomahawk.
All three were commonly used as either mobile turret emplacements on the outer hull or gathered in the fore part of the Daedalus carrier as part of the "Daedalus Maneuver" where the Macross would literally punch the carrier into the hull of a Zentraedi ship and then the massed mecha would unload their payloads as the main door of the carrier opened up inside the enemy craft.
- Logan Darklighter - 02-23-2015
Quote:ECSNorway wrote:No - the mechs from Dougram weren't diesel powered either.Quote:Logan Darklighter wrote:Uhm, er, what da fuq?
But the 3 low-end old-tech Destroids mentioned above? They were REALLY old tech!
They were DIESEL powered! No really! I'm not kidding!
They did have sealed systems and on-board oxidizer to mix with the fuel. But they really were powered by Diesel Engines!
Not only no, but hells no. They were all nuclear powered. They had a backup power supply that was basically a fuel cell, but they were never, ever, ever, diesel powered.
You may be thinking of 'Fang of the Sun Dougram', which supplied most of the other mecha that went into early Battletech.
But the mecha from Xabungle were. But then - THAT whole show was played as a comedy and a send-up of the genre in general. ^_^
I won't discount the possibility that I'm wrong about the Macross mecha. But I could've sworn it was true. But I did hear that bit of data a LOOOOOOOOOOOONG time ago. I think back in the late 80s/early 90s. So it's possible my source at the time could've been mistaken or himself got references from shows crossed up.
- robkelk - 02-23-2015
Logan Darklighter Wrote:Yes, the Phalanx is from Macross - it's probably the most obscure Human-side mecha from the original show. As I mentioned above, it shares the lower torso and legs of the Defender and Tomahawk.Ah, yes - now I remember it. Thanks.
All three were commonly used as either mobile turret emplacements on the outer hull or gathered in the fore part of the Daedalus carrier as part of the "Daedalus Maneuver" where the Macross would literally punch the carrier into the hull of a Zentraedi ship and then the massed mecha would unload their payloads as the main door of the carrier opened up inside the enemy craft.
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them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
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- ECSNorway - 02-23-2015
Yeah. None of the destroids ever saw much screen time in any Macross series. The Valkyries have always been the stars of the show.
Even Magical Girl Basara Nekki used one.
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- SkyeFire - 02-24-2015
On a side note: BattleTech actually used 'mechs powered by internal combustion engines, and did it seriously. At a serious disadvantage, though -- something like double the tonnage, and a lot more volume, for the same power output. Generally only found on Periphery worlds where fusion reactors were so hard to come by that even the worth-their-weight-in-platinum BattleMechs had to make do with lower-tech powerplants.
Had issues with providing enough power for beam weapons, too. Although there wasn't any penalty for missile boats.
- robkelk - 02-25-2015
As long as we're identifying models... These have the Starblazers names. What are the Space Cruiser Yamato names, if any?
1) http://www.sharecg.com/v/66520/
2) http://www.sharecg.com/v/66635/
3) http://www.sharecg.com/v/66652/
(I expect 1 is "Yamato"... )
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them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- Logan Darklighter - 02-25-2015
Quote:robkelk wrote:Actually Number 1 and number 2 are NOT the Yamato or any fighter design from any version of the show, original Japanese or Star Blazers.
As long as we're identifying models... These have the Starblazers names. What are the Space Cruiser Yamato names, if any?
1) http://www.sharecg.com/v/66520/
2) http://www.sharecg.com/v/66635/
3) http://www.sharecg.com/v/66652/
(I expect 1 is "Yamato"... )
These are not canon designs. Although they are obviously inspired by those sources.
One of the fighters appears to be loosely based on an mash-up of elements of an F-18 or something similar crossed with a custom cockpit and a paintjob meant to evoke the original Cosmo Tiger or Cosmo Zero.
The other is based off of a concept designed by "Lighthouse" studios (I forget the man's real name much to my chagrin at the moment) but he actually DID work on the mecha designs from Yamato 2199. Here's a copy of his original art for comparison:
http://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/73 ... 5c25f2.jpg
Number 3 is completely unknown to me as a design. It's not based on anything even remotely close to anything that appeared in either the classic original series or Y2199.
What you've got here is extrapolations or homages based on the originals. I notice that they are CG Skins - probably useful for re-skinning ships in something like Homeworld for client-side mods of space sim games.
- ECSNorway - 02-26-2015
If someone were to build a fleet of Yamato-style ships as 3d models for sale on Shapeways, would there be interest?
I've been spending a lot of time lately on actual plastic kits of Yamato/Starblazers ships, mostly the EDF fleet from the second season.
Very tempted to get them built in a slightly smaller scale (and more unified than 'box scale') but not as small as the Starblazers minis game figures.
(Right now I'm thinking battleships like Yamato or Andromeda at 4", cruisers at 3", destroyers/frigates at 2".)
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- robkelk - 02-26-2015
We'd have to stat them out for miniatures gaming, you know that.
Hmmmmm... Ground Zero Games has a space miniatures wargame, and they like anime - maybe we could use their rules.
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the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
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- ECSNorway - 02-26-2015
Now that I've played it a few times, I've grown more fond of Starmada, especially since it has an officially-licensed Trek version (Klingon Armada).
It also makes it easier to design and balance different weapons systems to give various races a unique flavor.
Sample stats for an EDF Frigate:
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