Quote:Like Litman, Trump biographer Michael D'Antonio doesn't see a lot of face-saving ways out of this bind.

If the president begins to hear from congressional Republicans whose constituents are hurting in states that Trump won in 2016, that will put pressure on him to bend, said D'Antonio, author of The Truth about Trump.

"Right now, he's looking for a way out. And it's probably going to be this idea of declaring an emergency."

Even if the courts strike that move down, he said, Trump will be able to claim a moral victory.

And if it results in a blight on his presidential record?

"Look at this presidency as if it's the presidency of a clever child," said D'Antonio. "A clever child is not going to be thinking about history's judgment, but whether he's going to get in trouble in this moment."

Trump, he said, will "have the courts to blame," and likely won't think much about legacy.

As for the government shutdown, it's approaching Day 22 on Saturday - a milestone that D'Antonio believes the president will use to sell the idea of himself as a "valiant warrior."

"This will be the way Trump says to his base: 'I did everything. Not only did I have the longest shutdown in history, I did all these other things,'" he said. "He wants everything to be the biggest, longest, tallest, greatest - and once I heard the record was 21 days, I immediately thought, 'He's going to go for 22.'"

Quote:"Building the wall was the single most-often repeated promise of the campaign, and he's staking the shutdown on it. He's making it very important to people who believe that they voted for it," said Kathleen Hall Jamieson, who studies presidential rhetoric at the University of Pennsylvania.

Trump's Texas visit did successfully displace news about the Trump-Russia investigation, as well as former Trump lawyer Michael Cohen's agreement to testify before Congress next month, she said.

Quote:The survey found that 56 percent of respondents do not support the president's proposal to construct a wall along the southern border, compared to 44 percent who do.

Erecting a broad security barrier along the border is only slightly more popular, according to the poll. Only 46 percent of respondents support that proposal, while 54 percent oppose it.

A majority of U.S. voters surveyed, 58 percent, said Trump should withdraw his demand for the border funding, while 42 percent said the president "should not give in."

(05-25-2019, 12:15 PM)Rajvik Wrote: Which he anticipated, and also stated he anticipated. The statute is so blatantly clear I don't understand how any judge could rule against it but we all knew when this started that this would be going all the way to the supreme court.

We also know what the answer will be unless the court decides to start stripping constitutional powers from the executive.

(05-25-2019, 12:15 PM)Rajvik Wrote: Edit, also, where did the rest of the posts go, we had a whole damn argument going on this subject and now its gone, wtf

(05-25-2019, 01:00 PM)Epsilon Wrote: ... After all, if the executive gets to decide how the military spends it's budget...

(05-25-2019, 03:01 PM)robkelk Wrote:

(05-25-2019, 01:00 PM)Epsilon Wrote: ... After all, if the executive gets to decide how the military spends it's budget...

I suspect that would take a Constitutional amendment to become true.

Specifics

10 U.S. Code § 284. Support for counterdrug activities and activities to counter transnational organized crime
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(a)Support to Other Agencies.—The Secretary of Defense may provide support for the counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime of any other department or agency of the Federal Government or of any State, local, tribal, or foreign law enforcement agency for any of the purposes set forth in subsection (b) or (c), as applicable, if—
(1) in the case of support described in subsection (b), such support is requested—
(A) by the official who has responsibility for the counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime of the department or agency of the Federal Government, in the case of support for other departments or agencies of the Federal Government; or
(B) by the appropriate official of a State, local, or tribal government, in the case of support for State, local, or tribal law enforcement agencies; or
(2) in the case of support described in subsection (c), such support is requested by an appropriate official of a department or agency of the Federal Government, in coordination with the Secretary of State, that has counterdrug responsibilities or responsibilities for countering transnational organized crime.
(b)Types of Support for Agencies of United States.—The purposes for which the Secretary may provide support under subsection (a) for other departments or agencies of the Federal Government or a State, local, or tribal law enforcement agencies, are the following:
(1) The maintenance and repair of equipment that has been made available to any department or agency of the Federal Government or to any State, local, or tribal government by the Department of Defense for the purposes of—
(A) preserving the potential future utility of such equipment for the Department of Defense; and
(B) upgrading such equipment to ensure compatibility of that equipment with other equipment used by the Department.
(2) The maintenance, repair, or upgrading of equipment (including computer software), other than equipment referred to in paragraph (1) for the purpose of—
(A) ensuring that the equipment being maintained or repaired is compatible with equipment used by the Department of Defense; and
(B) upgrading such equipment to ensure the compatibility of that equipment with equipment used by the Department.
(3) The transportation of personnel of the United States and foreign countries (including per diem expenses associated with such transportation), and the transportation of supplies and equipment, for the purpose of facilitating counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime within or outside the United States.
(4) The establishment (including an unspecified minor military construction project) and operation of bases of operations or training facilities for the purpose of facilitating counterdrug activities or activities to counter transnational organized crime of the Department of Defense or any Federal, State, local, or tribal law enforcement agency within or outside the United States.
(5) Counterdrug or counter-transnational organized crime related training of law enforcement personnel of the Federal Government, of State, local, and tribal governments, including associated support expenses for trainees and the provision of materials necessary to carry out such training.
(6) The detection, monitoring, and communication of the movement of—
(A) air and sea traffic within 25 miles of and outside the geographic boundaries of the United States; and
(B) surface traffic outside the geographic boundary of the United States and within the United States not to exceed 25 miles of the boundary if the initial detection occurred outside of the boundary.
(7) Construction of roads and fences and installation of lighting to block drug smuggling corridors across international boundaries of the United States.
(8) Establishment of command, control, communications, and computer networks for improved integration of law enforcement, active military, and National Guard activities.
(9) The provision of linguist and intelligence analysis services.
(10) Aerial and ground reconnaissance.

(05-25-2019, 11:53 PM)Rajvik Wrote: Here is the LAW
Title 10 US Code 284
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Quote:(7) Construction of roads and fences and installation of lighting to block drug smuggling corridors across international boundaries of the United States.

(05-25-2019, 11:53 PM)Rajvik Wrote: and here is an article specifying WHY IT IS LEGAL

Quote:Can § 284’s authorization to build a “fence” to “block drug smuggling corridors” really be used to build a wall across the entire southern border? Is the wall really a “military construction project” of the sort authorized by § 2808? Does the president’s declaration of national emergency really “require[] use of the armed forces” as required by § 2808?

(05-25-2019, 11:53 PM)Rajvik Wrote: Rob, that article is in reference to the BUDGET, what Trump did was take monies that had already been budgeted but not SPENT and re-appropriate them to this project. BY LAW under both 10USC284 (above) and the national emergency act he is legally able to do this as i have pointed out before. Maybe it was in another thread, but considering you keep restarting new threads with the same old arguments is it any wonder why i think DIDN"T WE DO THIS ALREADY?

(05-26-2019, 09:07 AM)robkelk Wrote: (you've even used an article that undermines your position in an attempt to support your position).

(05-27-2019, 04:01 PM)Mamorien Wrote:

(05-26-2019, 09:07 AM)robkelk Wrote: (you've even used an article that undermines your position in an attempt to support your position).

If it's good enough for Jonah "This is actually central to my point" Goldberg, maybe Rajvik figures it's good enough for him. (I say "maybe" because I lack the telepathic powers he uses to deduce that anyone arguing from a position that isn't his wants bread lines, death panels, the thousand-year reign of the Antichrist One World Government-Worshipping Religion, and fluoride in children's ice cream. Or whatever irritable mental gesture he's making this week.)

Quote:"You don’t need to do anything wrong to have an expedited removal," said immigration lawyer Andrew Hayes.