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A first in US bureaucracy - robkelk - 02-16-2020 Wow. This simply does not happen... except that it just did. Over a thousand bureaucrats - to be precise, retired bureaucrats, but the culture is strong - from the Department of Justice have called in public for the Attorney General to resign. Quote:The Department has a long-standing practice in which political appointees set broad policies that line prosecutors apply to individual cases. That practice exists to animate the constitutional principles regarding the even-handed application of the law. Although there are times when political leadership appropriately weighs in on individual prosecutions, it is unheard of for the Department’s top leaders to overrule line prosecutors, who are following established policies, in order to give preferential treatment to a close associate of the President, as Attorney General Barr did in the Stone case. It is even more outrageous for the Attorney General to intervene as he did here — after the President publicly condemned the sentencing recommendation that line prosecutors had already filed in court. It is unheard-of for a bureaucrat to say something like this about a political appointee. Usually the damage that a political appointee does is worked around, not brought out into the open for everyone to see. And the letter was signed by bureaucrats on both sides of the political divide. When the bureaucrats aren't willing to cover for the political master any more, you know that the political master has fucked up big time. Story here RE: A first in US bureaucracy - Labster - 02-16-2020 (02-16-2020, 07:55 PM)robkelk Wrote: It is unheard-of for a bureaucrat to say something like this about a political appointee. Usually the damage that a political appointee does is worked around, not brought out into the open for everyone to see. I doubt this is true. Both Republicans and Democrats may have signed it, sure, but the political divide is Trump himself. I doubt you'll find one pro-Trump signature on that list. This is simply the work of deep state actors, citizens who think that Trump works for them and not the other way around. RE: A first in US bureaucracy - Rajvik - 02-16-2020 Add to this that the "Line Prosecutors" tried to pull a fast one by telling their superiors one thing while sending something COMPLETELY different to the judge in question, iit's at best a bad faith argument. edit: not citizens in that last line Labster, bureaucrats, while granted they are citizens as well, they have made it clear that their allegiance is to the state and not the citizenry. RE: A first in US bureaucracy - Matrix Dragon - 02-16-2020 What a shock. Trump's minions give him an inch, the asshole tries to take a few miles. I expect that this will run around in circles a few times, any serious action will be countered by lackeys, and the USA continues on its path of being a joke. RE: A first in US bureaucracy - Labster - 02-16-2020 (02-16-2020, 09:50 PM)Rajvik Wrote: bureaucrats, while granted they are citizens as well, they have made it clear that their allegiance is to the state and not the citizenry. Right, we need to get rid of the bureaucrats whose allegiance to the officers of the state overshadows their allegiance to the citizens. RE: A first in US bureaucracy - hazard - 02-17-2020 (02-16-2020, 09:50 PM)Rajvik Wrote: Add to this that the "Line Prosecutors" tried to pull a fast one by telling their superiors one thing while sending something COMPLETELY different to the judge in question, iit's at best a bad faith argument. You sure about that? I've not heard the line prosecutors talk about what they told Barr, so right now it's one known political hack talking about the prosecutors deviating from standard procedure (following the sentencing guidelines) when the documentation pretty clearly states they followed it. It might even be that the line prosecutors wanted to levy heftier punishments as a result of Stone's clear contempt of the judicial system and that following the guidelines was them being lenient. RE: A first in US bureaucracy - Star Ranger4 - 02-17-2020 And, to be honest, Hazard, the thought that the line workers (prosecutors, in this case) said one thing to their political supervisors while recommending to the people who actually made the decision something that aligns with the spirit of the law (if not the letter)... Gives me hope? RE: A first in US bureaucracy - Matrix Dragon - 02-17-2020 Honestly, that's the sort of breakdown in operations that is not only worrying, but undermines trust in the system and encourages the sort of 'deep state' paranoid thinking Trump and co thrive on when trying to destroy the judical system in favour of more fascist/dictatorial models. RE: A first in US bureaucracy - robkelk - 02-18-2020 (02-17-2020, 05:56 AM)Star Ranger4 Wrote: And, to be honest, Hazard, the thought that the line workers (prosecutors, in this case) said one thing to their political supervisors while recommending to the people who actually made the decision something that aligns with the spirit of the law (if not the letter)... Gives me hope? It shouldn't. If the political appointees don't know what's going on, then they can't do their jobs properly. Not that knowing what's going on is a guarantee that they will do their jobs properly, of course. RE: A first in US bureaucracy - hazard - 02-18-2020 What the above two said. I was thinking more that what the line prosecutors said was not what higher ups heard. RE: A first in US bureaucracy - Star Ranger4 - 02-18-2020 True. the GIGO factor doesn't just apply to computer programming. RE: A first in US bureaucracy - classicdrogn - 02-18-2020 That, or the garbage filter was set to reverse. They seem to hear the antipresident just fine after all. RE: A first in US bureaucracy - Matrix Dragon - 02-19-2020 Well, in that case, it's just 'assume the most horrible, racist and generally stupid thing you can'. RE: A first in US bureaucracy - Rajvik - 02-20-2020 Verdict in on Roger Stone, 40 months in prison. Even the judge who was an Obama appointee said that the 7-9 year suggestion was out of line. Now they will hold off on sending him to prison while the appeal on the issue of the Fore-person having an axe to grind is going to earn him a retrial or not RE: A first in US bureaucracy - robkelk - 02-20-2020 Stone's defense team didn't call any witnesses, and didn't put him on the stand to testify. With such a crap defense, he should have expected to be locked up as soon as the trial was over. RE: A first in US bureaucracy - Matrix Dragon - 02-20-2020 I think he was always expecting his master to step him and cover for him. |