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[META/RFC] Banned Ship Names - Foxboy - 09-05-2007
Okay, from the Three Graces thread, and probably one of the early plotbunny posts, we know that the ship name Enterprise is banned.
Are there any others, or should we work up the series of events that banned it?
Candidate for Banning:
Millenium Falcon -- for similar reasons to the ban on Enterprise
Contrast With:
Most common ship names in Fenspace
--Anything ending in -prise among the Trekkies: NCC-1701-Q USS Reprise, NCC-1071 USS Second Prize
--Systems among the Warsies for those ships that get named: Dagobah, Yavin-4, Naboo, Corellia
--The same as the common Yacht names for those vessels already named before they lifted off: $name's Toy, John Bee etc.
''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.''
-- James Nicoll
Re: [META/RFC--whatever *THAT* means] Banned Ship Names - Bob Schroeck - 09-05-2007
Any central ship from a show or movie, on general "play-nice-with-trademarks" grounds -- so no Serenity, no Galactica and so on.
Obscure ones are probably okay -- for instance, the various flagships on Buck Rogers in the Twenty-Fifth Century -- but basically, anything that would prompt a whine along the lines of "Why do you get to be X?" from other members of the faction should automatically go in the hopper.
The big question is how does the registry enforce this? There's always going to be some obnox who figures the rules don't apply to him. How is he ... ahem... encouraged to conform to community standards?
(Oh, and in case you were serious, "RFC" = "Request for Comments")
-- Bob
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Re: [META/RFC--whatever *THAT* means] Banned Ship Names - Cobalt Greywalker - 09-05-2007
The idea I had when posting was that after the last shuttle flight, the reason the Trekkies (and a few others) hadn't already gone for the name (There was already a space ship with the name) dissapeared.
Thus at 12 midnight 1st 2010, the registrars got about 2000 registrations ALL for the name Enterprise.
Most of these got withdrawn over the next few days, but then fights and legal rumblings started breaking out among the 20 or so die-hards. Hacks and DoS attacks on the registration network occured. At least three attempts to physically break into Starbase 1's central computer core and hack the system from there were deflected by Starfleet security.
Finally the registrars had enough and unanimously voted to BAN the name Enterprise from the network, litterally making anyone who tried to use it immediatly suspisious and would be welcomed by security at any attempt to dock.
Most of the factions at this point decided to 'discourage' the use of ship names that had special meaning to them.
Since then no name has been fully banned, although several have been provisionally banned to prevent 'guzumping'.
And Foxboy? RFC means Request For Comments. It's the standard the W3C uses for discussion and definition of protocols, their changes and extensions.
EDIT: And I've just seen Bob's reply, which gives the reason that they didn't have this problem before.
Re: [META/RFC--whatever *THAT* means] Banned Ship Names - robkelk - 09-05-2007
Quote:Except that the faction itself is allowed to use the names from their source material. Thus, "General Solo" doesn't get to fly the Millenium Falcon, but there's a Warsie base New Yavin at L5.
Any central ship from a show or movie, on general "play-nice-with-trademarks" grounds -- so no Serenity, no Galactica and so on.
Quote:Or Stellvia. (Although Noah actually paid good money for a licence for that name.)
Obscure ones are probably okay -- for instance, the various flagships on Buck Rogers in the Twenty-Fifth Century
Quote:Between KandorCon and SOS-Con, there's the social "do you really want to be like that idiot in Stellvia?" factor... but that won't stop everyone.
The big question is how does the registry enforce this? There's always going to be some obnox who figures the rules don't apply to him. How is he ... ahem... encouraged to conform to community standards?
There's also the factions who'll "lean on" anyone who walks all over their perogatives... but, again, that won't stop everyone.
Hmmmmm...
-Rob Kelk
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Re: [META/RFC--whatever *THAT* means] Banned Ship Names - CattyNebulart - 09-05-2007
Quote:they tell the professor that you volunteered as an expermintal subject for (insert dangerous and/or painful sounding thing here) if he can catch them.
There's also the factions who'll "lean on" anyone who walks all over their perogatives... but, again, that won't stop everyone.
... yes that is mostly tounge in cheek ^_^ but even the threat might be good.
E: "Did they... did they just endorse the combination of the JSDF and US Army by showing them as two lesbian lolicons moving in together and holding hands and talking about how 'intimate' they were?"
B: "Have you forgotten so soon? They're phasing out Don't Ask, Don't Tell."
Re: [META/RFC--whatever *THAT* means] Banned Ship Names - M Fnord - 09-05-2007
What feels like a million years ago, I picked up a fascinating geek-press book titled "History of the Vessel Enterprise." Trekkie book, obviously; it was basically a list of all the ships named Enterprise anywhere ever, up to about 1990 (in real-life terms) and continuing through to the Trekverse history.
Fascinating stuff, really. It turns out there were a *hell* of a lot more Enterprises than you might think. Well over a hundred of them, in fact, and many of them with overlapping service periods.
So what, you ask? Well, it certainly seems to me that registrars of the past and present didn't have a problem with multiple ships having the same name. Fenspace has many thousands of people in it, there's always going to be some overlap. *Let* the fen choose their names as they will, as long as the ships aren't completely identical what does it matter?---
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Re: [META/RFC--whatever *THAT* means] Banned Ship Names - Bob Schroeck - 09-05-2007
That would be a bit more in keeping with the original wild-n-wooly flavor of the setting.
-- Bob
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Re: [META/RFC--whatever *THAT* means] Banned Ship Names - M Fnord - 09-05-2007
Well, if we try and follow the thought that the factions are (generally) acting like actual nation-states, then it's their job to maintain ship registries. So the Trekkies can say there's only one Enterprise in Starfleet, but at the same time there's an Enterprise in the Warsie camp (totally different make & model), one in the Browncoat registry, and another dozen or so Enterprises among the nonaligned fen. Same goes for almost any other "famous" ship name.
Way I figure it, as long as the IFF squawks are different the name doesn't automatically matter.---
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