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[Story] Black Sheep - Dartz - 07-13-2011 I think I write too much. Mel's Captain talks about her 'uniqueness' and how she's not as 'graceful' as her sisters. Quote:Oh Mel, what can I say about Mel... she's always been different compared to her sisters. Not bad in a way, just different. She's got spark, she's got spunk, she's just plain fun to be around in her own way. Worrying at times, when you think that she's the ship, but refreshing compared to some ship AI's who just take themselves too seriously. EDIT: Just a few changes based on comments. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Black Aeronaut - 07-14-2011 Quote:That doesn't mean she immediately became a model space citizen. Just askROFLMAO!!! I could easily see see Mel rubbing off on Mayonaka later on as Mayo goes through her cutesy Gothic Lolita phase. Those two are gonna be like Naruto and Sasuke in One Small Kindness - that is roughhousing while making it look like they're two peas in a pod and nigh inseparable. Oh, and doesn't this make Mel the Millennium Falcon of her kind? - robkelk - 07-14-2011 Dartz Wrote:I think I write too much.Well, somebody has to... it's just your turn, is all. Quote:We pulled her into drydock at Hephaestus, and the engineers started crawling all over her, measuring, analysing, discussing and eventually passing judgment. A short man, with a grim look about him just huffed. How could we treat a grace so badly, it was a Space Shuttle not a truck.http://www.prometheus-music.com/audio/fireinthesky.mp3]"And they said she's just a truck, but she's a truck that's aimin' high" -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Dartz - 07-14-2011 Quote:I could easily see see Mel rubbing off on Mayonaka later on as Mayo goes through her cutesy Gothic Lolita phase. Those two are gonna be like Naruto and Sasuke in One Small Kindness - that is roughhousing while making it look like they're two peas in a pod and nigh inseparable. Big, well used, goes fast. Sounds about right. Though it's probably more a case of "Mel, 109% is the abort rating, not the 'free extra power' setting. You do know how expensive replacements are?" rather than 213 being technically any faster than her sisters. On paper, they rate about the same. Quote:"And they said she's just a truck, but she's a truck that's aimin' high" Added that to the story. It fits her well ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Black Aeronaut - 07-14-2011 Dartz Wrote:Big, well used, goes fast. Sounds about right. Though it's probably more a case of "Mel, 109% is the abort rating, not the 'free extra power' setting. You do know how expensive replacements are?" rather than 213 being technically any faster than her sisters. On paper, they rate about the same.Bring her on by 36 Atalante for a refit and Ben will make damn sure she gets fitted out with a power plant and propulsion system that'll be more to her liking (probably about double the acceleration of her sisters and a thirty percent increase in maximum speed). It would probably consist of a Roughriders combat-rated Cool-Cuke reactor, three Hurricane-class reactionless engines for the mains, and a pair of Tornado-class fusion torches to replace the OMS engines (these are the engines used on their Peacemakers). - Dartz - 07-14-2011 It's something that's on the drawing board, since it'll be a big modification to her rear end structure. It's something they've promised her when her main engines reach their running-hour limits, provided at least two of them reach the limit intact. It helps discourage her from just blowing them up, and encourages her to keep them within their rated limits. Though, if it's planned to become a production propulsion upgrade for in-service orbiters, Mel may well volunteer(beg) to be the guinea pig. Then it becomes a matter of finding time in her busy schedule to do the work, which is right back to major engine overhaul time. The OMS engines were done when one of her OMS pods was ripped off, at the same time as the transmitter in her stabiliser was added. It made sense to do it at the time, and gives her some extra payload capacity off the ground, or some extra speed up in vacuum. Speaking of shuttle upgrades, there're bound to be all sorts out there available. There's an image on the wiki of an OV-200 mounted to an external tank and booster set. Instead of external fuel tanks, maybe a shuttle-transported mobile space-station (taking example from Stellvian early construction), allowing a reasonably sustainable outpost to be left behind at any mission site, which can then be resupplied or removed when the science is done. The hard part, was getting them off Earth's surface. Anyone have any thoughts? ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Black Aeronaut - 07-14-2011 Attach boosters modeled after the SRBs used with the external tanks. the whole thing basically becomes a Mule setup with nominal control being handled by the shuttle crew and it's AI. In an emergency, the crew in the mobile outpost can take control. And hell, at that size, nearly half the mass is nothing but engine - bet Mel loves riding one of those suckers out. - Dartz - 07-14-2011 Be a scary ride for anyone going in the tank all the way. It's probably safer if they ride up in the orbiter for the journey, and then dock with the tank when they reach their destination. That way, if something goes wrong with one of the boosters, or in the lab, the shuttle can detach without leaving anyone to their doom. It's an alternative to a full Gagarin class with the shuttle(or external think-tank) piggybacking on it, though I'm not sure who'd use it then, since most shuttle users have, or are getting, Gagarins ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - M Fnord - 07-14-2011 Scenes From The Road: INT. SHUTTLE COCKPIT, NIGHT: Evening shift aboard the USSR Ptichka on Yet Another Kuiper Belt Survey. Nobody ever said space exploration was always glamorous. SORA HASEGAWA is settling into the commander's seat for the next couple hours' flight. SORA: Good evening, Ptichka. How're we doing tonight? PTICHKA[1]: Hi Sora, everything's looking fine. We're on course for Makemake, no anomalous objects in our flight path, all systems are green. Closest ship is Melchizedek, about six AU solward of our 7 o'clock. SORA: Tell Mel I said hi. PITCHKA: I will, as soon as I get Mel to broaden her musical horizons. SORA (shakes head): Oh, Ptichka. You aren't trying to convince her to give up metal, are you? You remember what happened when Dizzy tried... PTICHKA (piously): Nothing of the sort! I'm just saying that she needs to find something more than Maiden tribute bands. You know, she should try some Tull, or Quiet Riot. Or Rush! What kind of space shuttle doesn't like Rush?! They wrote a tribute song for us, for crying out loud! * Sora listens to this diatribe without laughing, a heroic feat in many ways. PTICHKA (cont.): But does she listen? Of course not. 'Go listen to your grandma music,' she says. Grandma music! I ought to fly over there and smack her upside the head for that! No respect for her elders, oh it pains me to think where the next generation's going. SORA: Okay, chief musicologist, let's just stick to the schedule so we can get home on time. You can argue metal bands with Mel later. [1] Translated from the language of the birds for your reading pleasure. Suffice to say that yes, Sora understands everything Ptichka's saying; it's a crew perk/quirk. Quote:There's an image on the wiki of an OV-200 mounted to an external tank and booster set. Instead of external fuel tanks, maybe a shuttle-transported mobile space-station (taking example from Stellvian early construction), allowing a reasonably sustainable outpost to be left behind at any mission site, which can then be resupplied or removed when the science is done. The hard part, was getting them off Earth's surface. The Soviet Air Force during one of their many design conferences/bullshit sessions considered using an Energia stack as a range-extending booster and/or extra mobile living quarters before finally deciding on the Gagarin-class mothership design. Those plans still exist in the VVS mainframes, and might end up... leaked to the PKG as a birthday present for Mel from her doddering grandma. Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!" - Black Aeronaut - 07-14-2011 Just for comparison: http://www.k26.com/buran/..._/visual_comparison.html Holy crap! What were they planning on doing? Hauling up a load of iron ore? - M Fnord - 07-14-2011 Hauling space shuttles, which is much the same thing in terms of dead weight. And if you think that's nuts, check out the Vulkan or Energia-2. Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!" - Black Aeronaut - 07-14-2011 *Does a little more research* Ahhhh, okay. That explains it. The Russians expanded the cargo capacity and improved the lift-to-drag ratio by putting the main engines on the external fuel tank rather than on the orbiter itself. Sensible, really, when you think about it - except that you would have to make the engines with a fine balance of reliability against being dispensable. Weighed that way, I can see why NASA settled on making the mains part of the bird itself. - Dartz - 07-14-2011 Snrk... Grandma so funny sometimes. It'd be nice to have the plans, but actually building it would be a little beyond their budget. Though with the cargo service (which started as a way to fill Mel's downtime) threatening to become something of a tail wagging the dog, it got split off into PKGS Transportation Service, specialising in secure registered transportation of light-to-medium freight. PKGS is , effectively, a wholly owned subsidiary of of the Gruppe. Listed on the board of directors are Mel's primary crew and Mel herself, with OV-213, a container in Ireland, and some landing rights being listed as corporate assets. It's also something of a Creative Accounting dodge. PKGS was incorporated in a small container in a business park near Shannon Airport to give them a mundane presence and simplified access to the EU. Some skullduggery involving Irish tax-law's lack of regulation on transfer pricing, the exorbitant costs of providing an armed guard, and the recovery of profits to space follow. With all that, it won't be long either before they have the cash to invest in something so complex, giving them some real heavy-lift, big-shift ability. Provided they find somewhere that can handle vertical launching, and maybe can find a partner to share the risk with. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - robkelk - 07-15-2011 Dartz Wrote:With all that, it won't be long either before they have the cash to invest in something so complex, giving them some real heavy-lift, big-shift ability. Provided they find somewhere that can handle vertical launching, and maybe can find a partner to share the risk with.StellviaCorp is always interested in making deals with new transportation companies - they've got plenty of business to go around even after their contracts with Hermes Universal Deliveries and Jupiter Mining Corporation are taken into account. That opens up access to Pad 39A at Canaveral... (Besides, more ships in the ether means more ways for everybody to get around Fenspace, which Noah thinks is a Good Thing on the theory that more mobility tends to lead to more prosperity for everyone.) -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - robkelk - 07-15-2011 M Fnord Wrote:[1] Translated from the language of the birds for your reading pleasure. Suffice to say that yes, Sora understands everything Ptichka's saying; it's a crew perk/quirk.Even if she didn't, Sora could just plug into one of Ptichka's USB ports and communicate that way. (Heck, after Sora and Dee upgrade Sora's body, she might not even have to do that - there's got to be a wi-fi point somewhere on the VVS' flagship.) No need to do everything the "meat" way, as somebody pointed out to Noah... -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Dartz - 07-15-2011 A partnership like that might well make a good origin. They mention the idea in conversation, having seen Stellvia's old section out the window. The Soviet plans appear soon after. A group of shuttle operators will probably chip in their own resources in exchange for access to the design as a consortium. Who builds them, and where? Who uses them, and for what? Four boosters strapped to a fully equipped space-station inside a modified Energia tank-structure (like Skylab). The downside is expensive vertical launches, the upside is, you've just set the record for the largest vertically launched commercial payload. The booster's main job is to just get the payload moving, since the shuttle's own engines are incapable of lifting it vertical. They can then either be jettisoned to their own destruction, or dragged along to be refueled in orbit somewhere. Over 200t in the top of tank, fuel for the tank-bottom engines beneath that and then about 30t of 'stuff' and up to ten crew in the orbiter. Drive-type.... each booster is easily going to be as powerful as the orbiter strapped to it. Stellvia's big involvement could be the largest set of WFC-derived drives, some sort of hardtech heavy-thrust engine that gives a lot of punch going up off the ground, sort of like a massive V8. Would such a thing exist? The tank itself is available either purely unwaved (for scientific reasons), rigged for pure cargo.... or fitted out as a ready-built space-hab complete with life-support, station keeping engines and a couple of hundred man-days of supplies. It's also possible after launch to refit the wet areas of the tank into further living space, or as required. The tank-station can then either be kept resupplied on location, left behind as an unmanned waystation with supplies for any unfortunate who has a breakdown, or tugged how and re-used elsewhere. The Shuttle in this case acts as a command and control vehicle, and as the launch escape system for the crew in case of failure. Melchizedek was selected to make the first-flight, as modified OMS engines gave her some extra propulsion to get clear of a destructing stack quickly. The first flight of the Vulkan system will be on a mission to the Sirius flown by Melchizedek, along with Discovery, leaving behind the laboratory for a 100-day stay. Mel is naturally excited to have the chance to launch from 39-A.... The shuttle alone is capable of driving the tank, at severely limited velocities. Therefore, boosters are generally only separated in case of failure, and are refuelled once orbit is reached. Currently the tanks are incapable of surviving reentry, however work is progressing on a Vulkan-2 system, based on the Uragan/Energia-II design, which would be capable of landing a fully complete base on a planet. Multiple tank modules could make for a start of a colony, especially if the makings of a dome where included with them. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - robkelk - 07-15-2011 Dartz Wrote:Drive-type.... each booster is easily going to be as powerful as the orbiter strapped to it. Stellvia's big involvement could be the largest set of WFC-derived drives, some sort of hardtech heavy-thrust engine that gives a lot of punch going up off the ground, sort of like a massive V8. Would such a thing exist? There are blueprints for ultra-low reaction mass thrusters (comparable in efficiency to the 'waved drives on the Epsilon Blade) in the WFC - all we need to do is choose a really big design. Dartz Wrote:Currently the tanks are incapable of surviving reentry, however work is progressing on a Vulkan-2 system, based on the Uragan/Energia-II design, which would be capable of landing a fully complete base on a planet. Multiple tank modules could make for a start of a colony, especially if the makings of a dome where included with them. Alternately, use them as the core of a space station... especially if you've already taken them all the way to Barnard's Star and don't plan to bring them back. -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - HRogge - 07-15-2011 robkelk Wrote:There are blueprints for ultra-low reaction mass thrusters (comparable in efficiency to the 'waved drives on the Epsilon Blade) in the WFC - all we need to do is choose a really big design. You could always ask the ESA if they licence the finished design back to the Fen for some compensation. *G* - Proginoskes - 07-15-2011 A little bit late to the party, I have one quibble with the opening story. It struck me from the first story to address it that Bootup is a very private, intimate thing for Orbiters, with only the new Shuttle and her elder sibling present in her awareness. The reason that The Dream is so important to most Shuttles is that it's the subject of their reverse-lullaby, told by their elders to calm the panic of waking up without any senses.... Actually, objection withdrawn. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having the fable told as part of some public formal ceremony some time after Bootup as well. Mel didn't hear it during her Bootup, so the formal version utterly fails to impress. That makes perfect sense. - Dartz - 07-15-2011 Yeah, while Mel was woken by This. First there was the beat, then there came the lyrics.... Quote:You could always ask the ESA if they licence the finished design back to the Fen for some compensation. *G* Those just aren't powerful enough to go straight up from the ground. Even the Mel's own engines aren't powerful enough for a vertically launching just herself. You need brute force just to get the thing moving... and that means a lot of remass travelling at a lot of speed. Quote:There are blueprints for ultra-low reaction mass thrusters (comparable in efficiency to the 'waved drives on the Epsilon Blade) in the WFC - all we need to do is choose a really big design. No substitute for mass to shoot. So we've got big ultralow-remass engines which are about as 'efficient' as the big cathedral diesels fitted to ships when compared with the diesel engine fitted to a family minivan strapped to the back. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - HRogge - 07-15-2011 Dartz Wrote:Those just aren't powerful enough to go straight up from the ground. Even the Mel's own engines aren't powerful enough for a vertically launching just herself. You need brute force just to get the thing moving... and that means a lot of remass travelling at a lot of speed.They are not powerful enough before you wave them... don't forget the Thor Heierdahl used hardtech engines. - Dartz - 07-16-2011 Well, the Heiyerdahl's engines are based on the same thruster design.... maybe the Vulkan engines are just (A), more of them, (B) bigger, and (c) passing more gas at slower speed. These boosters have four thrusters each, and there're four boosters, along with large engines mounted to the bottom of the 'tank'. A heavy-lifting variant of the same engine that trades the fuel economy for brute force to get something moving fast. Heiyerdahl burns it's fuel in days, this runs out in under an hour, sort of fuel economy. Need a very high energy density power source that'll fit inside a booster casing.... cooling is less of an issue since you've plenty of fuel that heat can be dumped into. Maybe some way of using either massive amounts of remass at low-speed for raw 'punch', or little or none at high-speeds for more 'power'. I think I'm wobbling around a bit with the concept here. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - M Fnord - 07-16-2011 Proginoskes Wrote:Actually, objection withdrawn. There is absolutely nothing wrong with having the fable told as part of some public formal ceremony some time after Bootup as well. Mel didn't hear it during her Bootup, so the formal version utterly fails to impress. That makes perfect sense. Welll... I was kinda hesitant to say this because I do like the story and I do like Mel as a character, but. The reverse-lullabye, the history of the space shuttle program as related from one generation of Orbiter to the next, is a very important part of their cultural identity, as it were. Thing is, it's also a very private part of their cultural identity. While there's something of a formalish 'welcome to the family' thing once the Orbiter in question is awake, the story is for the Orbiters themselves, not outsiders. Oh, there's a few non-Orbiters who might guess there's some ancient wisdom being passed down upon inception, and there's one or two who know. (I can think of three off the top of my head, one established character, one half-established character and one we've only seen in a teaser.) By and large, though, the fable isn't known outside the clan. (There's something amusing about creating Eleusinian Mysteries for space shuttles.) Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information "I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!" - Dartz - 07-16-2011 Oh yes. Mel's Captain knows there's 'something' going on between Mel and Discovery, but doesn't quite know what because Mel isn't telling. It's not really that difficult change to make to the story, just changing a couple of lines. Mel's bo~ooring remark is towards the official ceremony, which involves a very different and much longer speech beloved of the type beloved by humans. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? |