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Defamation of Character Suit? - ordnance11 - 07-24-2010 If you folks are following the case of Sheryl Sherrod, you have to ask: How successfully can she press a defamation of character and libel suit against Breitbart and Fox News? If Breitfield was smart, he'd have groveled and apologized abjectly, just like Ag Sec Vilseck and the rest of the administration. Ditto for Fox News. I'm pretty sure the NAACP would be more than happy to fund a legal team to start the ball rolling. Of course, given he seems to be the type that would be gladly be a martyr for his cause..whatever they are...taking away his money seems fair to me. He's not gonna be dead. Just wished he was. Edit Wrong name" should had been Bretibart __________________ Into terror!, Into valour! Charge ahead! No! Never turn Yes, it's into the fire we fly And the devil will burn! - Scarlett Pimpernell - Bob Schroeck - 07-24-2010 I've been out of touch with the news while at the beach. Link please? -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. - ordnance11 - 07-24-2010 Sherrod case __________________ Into terror!, Into valour! Charge ahead! No! Never turn Yes, it's into the fire we fly And the devil will burn! - Scarlett Pimpernell - Logan Darklighter - 07-24-2010 And yet Glenn Beck (the anti-Christ to you people) on his broadcast on Fox News (GASP! ARGH! ) was one of the first people to DEFEND Sherrod. And the Fox News (but we must always call it "Faux" News to show our cleverness and sophistication) pundits twigged faster than anyone else that the video ACTUALLY showed her talking about her realization of her own prejudice and overcoming of that. Thus - Fox News was in the VANGUARD supporting Sherrod getting her job back! Media critic Howard Kurtz of the Washington Post says blaming Fox may be unfair. He notes that the Sherrod case got little mention before her resignation -- which some believe the administration caused because it feared what conservative media might report. From Kurtz: Quote:...But for all the chatter -- some of it from Sherrod herself -- that she was done in by Fox News, the network didn't touch the story until her forced resignation was made public Monday evening, with the exception of brief comments by O'Reilly. After a news meeting Monday afternoon, an e-mail directive was sent to the news staff in which Fox Senior Vice President Michael Clemente said: "Let's take our time and get the facts straight on this story. Can we get confirmation and comments from Sherrod before going on-air. Let's make sure we do this right." In point of fact - the White House pressured Sherrod to resign because it was AFRAID of Fox News and Glenn Beck coming after her, but ironically, Glenn Beck himself DEFENDED Sherrod and opined that she had been done wrong by the administration and the NAACP. Noting that they were LIGHTNING FAST to fire her over this, but these were the same people who derailed the DOJ investigation into the new Black Panthers for voter fraud and voter intimidation during the 2008 election. Proof? Video or it didn't happen? This was Glenn Beck's own first show after this broke. (That is - if you can handle it rather than putting up garlic over your door and making the sign of the cross. I bet none of you on the left even watch this.) Quote: - Logan Darklighter - 07-24-2010 From Ron Radosh of Pajamas Media: Quote:Also standing out on Fox News is their in-house liberal and former civil rights activist, Juan Williams. Writing on the Fox website today, Williams asked the essential question: “How is it possible that the first black president of the United States, under pressure for alleged reverse discrimination against whites at the Justice Department, fires a black Agriculture Department official for telling a story of racial redemption?” - Epsilon - 07-24-2010 Broken clock, twice a day. -------------- Epsilon - Ayiekie - 07-24-2010 Umm, has any of "us people" ever said jack about Glenn Beck? I barely know or care who the guy is beyond "yet another right-wing talk show guy in the US that apparently cries a lot". Good for him, I guess! I'm not sure why it's supposed to be a big deal that he didn't jump to conclusions here, though. And yes, the White House here acted in a spineless, overcompensating, cowardly fashion to try and deflect any accusations of favouritism towards black people. That doesn't exactly shock me. Incidentally, equating Al Sharpton and David Duke is in extremely poor taste for a supposed "in-house liberal". - robkelk - 07-24-2010 Quote:Umm, has any of "us people" ever said jack about Glenn Beck? I barely know or care who the guy is beyond "yet another right-wing talk show guy in the US that apparently cries a lot". Good for him, I guess!Until I read that, all I knew about Glenn Beck was that he wasn't Jeff Beck. Quote:I'm not sure why it's supposed to be a big deal that he didn't jump to conclusions here, though.If he's a talk-show host, isn't it his job to not jump to conclusions? Thus, is it really a big deal that he's doing his job? Quote:And yes, the White House here acted in a spineless, overcompensating, cowardly fashion to try and deflect any accusations of favouritism towards black people. That doesn't exactly shock me.I noticed this line in the article ord linked to: Quote:“It’s sad because with the election of Barack Obama, this is a post-racial society,” Lewis said.If that was true, then nobody would have had to be fired "to try and deflect any accusations of favouritism towards black people"... -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Foxboy - 07-24-2010 robkelk Wrote:If he's a talk-show host, isn't it his job to not jump to conclusions? Thus, is it really a big deal that he's doing his job?Sadly, no. "News" networks don't practice journalism anymore. His job is to get ratings. And if he accidentally fosters partisan conflict, who cares? Left-wing versus Right-wing in physical confrontation is RATING$ GOLD! ''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.'' -- James Nicoll - robkelk - 07-24-2010 Oh, dear. And then one wonders why the US political landscape is such a mess... -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - ordnance11 - 07-24-2010 I'm more interested to see if there is a civil/criminal case for Breitbart for libel and defamation of character under either federal or state (Georgia) law. The LA times op-ed piece I read yesterday indicates that nothing is going is change his actions no more than the coyotes going after the dumpsters around the Verdugo foothills area in Northern LA county. And since he seems to have intentionally defamed Mrs. Sherrod, a case could be made against him. I always believe that every action has its consequence. Maybe it's time he learned that. __________________ Into terror!, Into valour! Charge ahead! No! Never turn Yes, it's into the fire we fly And the devil will burn! - Scarlett Pimpernell Defamation - Rev Dark - 07-24-2010 I am unsure it meets the criteria for defamation of character or libel; it looks more like it would be considered quote mining; comments taken out of their original context and spun into a very different narrative - something I am all too familiar with in my dealings with the dip-shit creationist movement. What is appalling, is that the fifth estate, ran with it without any level of confirmation or fact checking. While Logan attempts to portray Fox news, or rather the moronic blackboard poster child of mouth breathers everywhere (Mr. Beck); Logan - you are being rather dishonest. Fox was the new network that first promoted the video - Without any vetting of the content, and is now backpedalling as their role in the smear job is being brought out. Media Matters has an excellent timeline of their activities in this regard. http://mediamatters.org/research/201007220004 Well I have my answer - ordnance11 - 07-30-2010 Someone posted this on a web article: Quote:She will win. There are several basic reasons:The link I wouldn't say open and shut, but if the court precedent he quoted is correct, Breitbart will have a hard time proving that he is innocent. Ditto for Fox. If Fox is smart, they'd better settle it and quick. Breitbart looks like the type that that's prepared to be a martyr, but after this no conservative is going to touch him with a 10 foot pole. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy, eh? __________________ Into terror!, Into valour! Charge ahead! No! Never turn Yes, it's into the fire we fly And the devil will burn! - Scarlett Pimpernell I'm back.. and not so fast. - Fidoohki - 07-30-2010 The trouble is she might not have a case. The internet has no protections against slander as far as I know. This might be precedent (?) setting case on that. As for Foxnews, they sound like they are covered. They didn't report on this on tv until after Sherod resigned. This becomes news even if it was based on a wrong tape. Brightbairt is probably screwed though unless he can prove that he didn't edit the tape, received it as is, and had it verified in 'good faith' that it was legitimate. A tall order. Provided the whole 'Why would you beleive anything from the internet?!' argument fails. - ordnance11 - 07-31-2010 Well, first off..Are his websites blogs or forums? Breitbart describes his sites as a news site so it has the same standing as a website operated by traditional media. So, he has a pretty weak case if his lawyers bases his defense on the "safe harbor" provision of Digital Millenium Act. News media is still news media. If one uses privileges, one must also assume responsibilities to go with those privileges. __________________ Into terror!, Into valour! Charge ahead! No! Never turn Yes, it's into the fire we fly And the devil will burn! - Scarlett Pimpernell - Logan Darklighter - 07-31-2010 If cutting off a video and not showing the whole speech and putting it online is now considered defamation, the precedent set would be the end of the news business and most of the liberal press. As far as I can see, Breitbart has played quite the Xanatos Gambit here. He wins even if he loses. But I wouldn't bet on him losing. - ordnance11 - 07-31-2010 More like he loses even if he wins. Cutting off a video and twisting the message that Mrs. Sherrod said to suit his agenda rather than brevity's sake is another kettle of fish. Did he ever at any time in this episode made an attempt of the veracity of what he was claiming? Add to the fact that he hasn't even attempted to apologize for Mrs. Sherrod for his actions implies willful intent in his actions to me. It'll be up to the court to decide whether it's willful and malicious intent on his part, though. The only way I can see him winning if a lawyer finds a technicality to get him off. It'll have to be an expensive lawyer. No mainstream lawyer will want to be tarred with the same brush as him. Unless they're looking for publicity, IMO. No mainstream Republican would want to be associated with this fiasco. Not even a financial link.Otoh, I'm betting that there will be a pro bono legal tm for Mrs. Sherrod. And proof of burden would be much lower in a civil case than in a criminal one. Even if Breitbart does win it, he'll be so beggared by court costs and the stink raised by this case that he'll be broke and a pariah by the time this is done. Some other zealot will take up his banner, but he'll be yesterday's news when this is over. __________________ Into terror!, Into valour! Charge ahead! No! Never turn Yes, it's into the fire we fly And the devil will burn! - Scarlett Pimpernell |