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NC Governor suggests suspending elections 'for the duration of the crisis' - ECSNorway - 09-28-2011
Beverly Perdue, Governor of North Carolina, has managed to stick her foot in it:
Governor Perdue Wrote:"You have to have more ability from Congress, I think, to workQuote provided by the Raleigh News & Observer.
together and to get over the partisan bickering and focus on fixing
things. I think we ought to suspend, perhaps, elections for Congress for
two years and just tell them we won't hold it against them, whatever
decisions they make, to just let them help this country recover. I
really hope that someone can agree with me on that. The one good thing
about Raleigh is that for so many years we worked across party lines.
It's a little bit more contentious now but it's not impossible to try to
do what's right in this state. You want people who don't worry about
the next election."
I don't care what party you're from, that's just Not Acceptable.
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- CattyNebulart - 09-29-2011
Agreed, it also reads as hopelessly naive, how did someone like that get to be govenor? I have met five year olds that are probably less naive.
E: "Did they... did they just endorse the combination of the JSDF and US Army by showing them as two lesbian lolicons moving in together and holding hands and talking about how 'intimate' they were?"
B: "Have you forgotten so soon? They're phasing out Don't Ask, Don't Tell."
- LynnInDenver - 09-29-2011
ECSNorway Wrote:I don't care what party you're from, that's just Not Acceptable.I would consider that only barely acceptable if, say, we're in a drag out war that the country is literally on the ropes... not for a simple matter of trying to get the budget mess straightened out. Being able to vote 'em out is the only thing that can be used to keep them honest.
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- robkelk - 09-29-2011
I do believe Heinlein's "Future History" states that 2012 was the last year elections were held... with a theocracy taking the place of the democracy.
Be vigilant, folks!
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- Bob Schroeck - 09-29-2011
Quote:I do believe Heinlein's "Future History" states that 2012 was the last year elections were held... with a theocracy taking the place of the democracy.Considering that Perry is courting and accepting the support of a group that makes no bones about wanting exactly that, you better believe I'm being vigilant.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
- Black Aeronaut - 09-29-2011
Ugh. At a time like this, we want to be RECALLING defective Senators and Representatives, not inviting them to stay until they can 'play nice' with each other.
- CattyNebulart - 10-01-2011
JFerio Wrote:ECSNorway Wrote:I don't care what party you're from, that's just Not Acceptable.I would consider that only barely acceptable if, say, we're in a drag out war that the country is literally on the ropes...
I'd like to point out that not even during WW2 where American elections suspended. So I think it's fair to say that there are no circumstances under which an American state still exists that elections should be suspended.
E: "Did they... did they just endorse the combination of the JSDF and US Army by showing them as two lesbian lolicons moving in together and holding hands and talking about how 'intimate' they were?"
B: "Have you forgotten so soon? They're phasing out Don't Ask, Don't Tell."
- bmull - 10-01-2011
CattyNebulart Wrote:Even during the U.S. Civil War elections were held. Now, as far as I know no Federal elections were held in the succeeding states, but it would have been hypocritical for them to have voted for a Union they left. Even given that, the Union occupied states of Tennessee and Louisiana did hold elections.JFerio Wrote:ECSNorway Wrote:I don't care what party you're from, that's just Not Acceptable.I would consider that only barely acceptable if, say, we're in a drag out war that the country is literally on the ropes...
I'd like to point out that not even during WW2 where American elections suspended. So I think it's fair to say that there are no circumstances under which an American state still exists that elections should be suspended.
If the U.S. didn't cancel Federal elections in the midst of a civil war I don't see a need to do it now just because they can't do their jobs.
- Black Aeronaut - 10-02-2011
Hell, even during Vietnam we held elections.
- Bob Schroeck - 10-03-2011
I've heard it claimed -- although it may simply be an urban legend -- tbat Nixon asked the Rand Corporation to study the feasibility of cancelling the 1972 elections because of the "youth unrest" (and got told, essentially, "are you insane?").
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
- Black Aeronaut - 10-03-2011
Yeah, I think I've heard the same. Wasn't that the same term where he got nailed?
- ECSNorway - 10-03-2011
Indeed.
I think this quote is particularly apt at this point:
Alexander Tytler Wrote:A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury, with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship. The average age of the world's greatest civilizations from the beginning of history has been about 200 years. During those 200 years, these nations always progressed through the following sequence:
* From bondage to spiritual faith;
* From spiritual faith to great courage;
* From courage to liberty;
* From liberty to abundance;
* From abundance to selfishness;
* From selfishness to complacency;
* From complacency to apathy;
* From apathy to dependence;
* From dependence back into bondage.
We're well past Apathy at this point.
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- Dartz - 10-03-2011
I blame News commentators that tell people what to think, rather than who report the news itself. I blame a system so rotten to the core by the greed of a small few that the only way to redeem it is to burn the whole damn thing down. It's not the selfishness of the majority that brings the civilisation, it's the minority at the top who grow corrupt and decadent while feeding the massess with bread and circuses. Only this time, they don't give them the bread... just the X-Factor, Fox News, dread and fear and the idea that their way is the only way to solve it.
That's what happened here. It wasn't social security, or socialist healthcare.... it was a banking system run into the ground by the greedy few at the top who defrauded the government, and a government leadership that went into denial over the scale of the problem. And we're slowly crawling back up out of it.
It's not apathy. The people still care.... if they're vehement enough to argue this the way they do they still 'care', but that care is being perverted by the minority for their own benefit.
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- robkelk - 10-04-2011
Bob Schroeck Wrote:I've heard it claimed -- although it may simply be an urban legend -- tbat Nixon asked the Rand Corporation to study the feasibility of cancelling the 1972 elections because of the "youth unrest" (and got told, essentially, "are you insane?").http://www.rand.org/about/faq.html]RAND's website says this is an urban legend. It does make for a good story, though - especially since they've been denying it since 1970.
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- ECSNorway - 10-04-2011
People do love to vilify Tricky Dick, don't they?
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- Bob Schroeck - 10-04-2011
To paraphrase Hawkeye Pierce: Nixon invites abuse. It would be impolite not to accept.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
- ECSNorway - 10-05-2011
Bob Schroeck Wrote:To paraphrase Hawkeye Pierce: Nixon invites abuse. It would be impolite not to accept.Nixon violated the cardinal rule of politics: Don't Get Caught.
Other than that, he's little different from any other politician.
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- Bob Schroeck - 10-05-2011
No argument there. But there was always something about Nixon's combination of sad sack and arrogance that seemed to demand disrespect. Especially with the kind of whining "I'll take my ball and go home" behavior he exhibited at times ("You won't have Nixon to kick around any more").
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.