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Here we go again - ordnance11 - 12-16-2011
Waiting till the last minute to see if we go to work on Monday.
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- Valles - 12-16-2011
My reaction when I heard:
"Oh, for fuck's sake."
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- Black Aeronaut - 12-16-2011
Uhm... Been occupied lately. What's going on?
- Valles - 12-16-2011
Short version: Tea Party's playing Russian Roulette with the world economy again.
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- ordnance11 - 12-16-2011
Okay got the news..we go to work on Monday.
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Into terror!, Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
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- Black Aeronaut - 12-18-2011
Kinda reminds me of that scene in Armageddon right after they manage to defuse that nuke, and the big guy who could do nothing more than stand by and cringe saunters off, grumbling, "God, it sucks up here."
- robkelk - 12-18-2011
Considering that this isn't the first time this has happened this year, it may be time for the International Monetary Fund to step in...
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the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
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- robkelk - 12-18-2011
Valles Wrote:Short version: Tea Party's playing Russian Roulette with the world economy again.Citation Needed.
Are you sure it isn't both sides being idiots (the way it was the last time this happened, and the time before that)?
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"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- ordnance11 - 12-19-2011
It' s when the Republican Tea Party wing attaches approval of the Keystone pipeline to the passage of the omnibus bill, that gets the goat IMO. I am in favor of these construction projects as much as the next man. But, considering the incident at Yellowstone where an oil pipeline broke, it is not environmental extremism to make sure that the environmental impact is well studied.
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Into terror!, Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell
- robkelk - 12-19-2011
The last time I looked (which, I'll grant, was a few years ago), Canadian environmental laws were more stringent than US ones. Environment Canada has given the Keystone project a green-light. How much more study does it need?
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- nemonowan - 12-19-2011
When you take into account things like this , a lot more I would think.
- robkelk - 12-19-2011
nemonowan Wrote:When you take into account things like this , a lot more I would think.Straw man - that's a matter with the inspection software, not with the pipeline itself.
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- nemonowan - 12-19-2011
robkelk Wrote:So...nemonowan Wrote:When you take into account things like this , a lot more I would think.
Straw man - that's a matter with the inspection software, not with the pipeline itself.
Inspection systems, which are legally mandated in order to catch failures before they happen and prevent ecologically damaging spills, are being deliberately misengineered to not report failures.
This is because it is cheaper to (pretend to) clean up a spill than to prevent it in the first place.
And you do not think that that has some relevance to the environmental assessment?
- robkelk - 12-20-2011
That's right.
The environmental assessment tells us how large the adverse effect is of building the pipeline in the first place; it has nothing to do with running the pipeline.
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- Black Aeronaut - 12-20-2011
Which just goes to show you how fucked up the whole process is.
Is there any chance that some independently wealthy personage can buy up a tract of land and/or building rights suitable to block construction of said pipeline?