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Ah - sweet sweet schadenfreude!! - Logan Darklighter - 11-14-2013 Quote:As I remember it, the Democrats on Capitol Hill got the bill they Quote:As for Landrieu’s bill, if Republicans can’t successfully argue that Outraged yet? If not, may I ask just what in the fuck is wrong with you, anyhow? Quote:Now, I realize that contempt of Congress is and should be the natural order of things. “The best Congress that money can buy.” “The only native American criminal class.” “No man’s life, liberty or property is safe while Congress is in session.” And that’s just Mark Twain and Will Rogers; the rest of us no doubt have even more pungent observations regarding the collective entity known as Congresscritters.And with that, it’s now time to enjoy some of the schadenfreude mentioned in my title. Yes, it could be considered ungenerous, inconsiderate, or indecorous to do the gleeful spiking of the ball. But I don’t care; it’s due, and past due. SO! Who's game for setting up one of those precious, pissy little “we’re sorry, world” websites directed at Tea Partiers now? Because if ever you liberals owed an apology to anybody, you owe a most abject one to the foresighted Americans you derided as insane, stupid, seditious, un-American, and extremist. Because THEY WERE RIGHT ABOUT ALL THIS, and YOU WERE WRONG. Completely wrong. Dead wrong. Wrong as…well, as only dullards clinging to a hundred-year-old ideology that's been an abject failure every time it's ever been tried can be. Scratch a liberal, find a fascist; hit a liberal in the pocketbook, and find a sudden conservative. All you whiny little shits who were all for turning over one-sixth of the national economy to a jug-eared socialist and his lying henchmen, not one of whom had ever started or run a business in their miserable parasitic lives, are now screeching about how “I didn’t think I was going to have to pay for it!” You special little snowflakes were all stupid enough to buy the ludicrous and self-evidently false idea that if only government took over, coverage could be expanded, treatment would get better, more people could have access to health care, research and development would continue on as before even with a punitive new tax on it…and none of this would cost anybody anything, except maybe that handful of Evil Rich you want to blame for everything under the sun. And once again, reality has slapped you right in your silly, smarmy faces. Do you have any idea how much those of us who warned you all along of exactly what is happening to you now are enjoying this? No, at bottom we don’t like it; we never wanted any of this to happen, and we do sincerely regret that all of us are now going to be forced to suffer the consequences of your foolishness - but there’s no denying the satisfaction inherent in seeing arrogant "low-information voters" like yourselves getting the comeuppance you deserve. In fact, not only did you refuse to listen to plain common sense, you attacked and insulted its unwelcome messengers in the most obnoxious terms for daring to tell you a truth you didn’t want to hear. You were suckered by a two-bit Chicago con artist, asserting your superior wisdom the whole time, and now you’re shocked - SHOCKED - that things have worked out so very very disastrously. Well, you can’t say you weren’t warned. You were. Endlessly, and in no uncertain terms. The usual response? “RACIST!” The truly and beautifully sublime thing about all of this? Not one single Conservative voted for this. Heck, not even one single REPUBLICAN voted for this. There was ZERO compromise by Barry and the Democrats. They were so confident in their power that they thought they didn't need the cover that any bi-partisan compromise with the Republicans would bring. (Even if they did have to use some borderline legal parliamentary tricks to pass the thing late at night when no one was watching.) So our hands are completely clean. This Brobdingnagian failure is all YOURS to own! Now tuck in for that shit sandwich you ordered - Bon appetit! Go ahead and try to find yourselves a second or third job amidst the smoking rubble of Barry’s "Economic Miracle" to pay the exorbitant premiums and spiraling taxes for that “affordable,” non-subpar, comprehensive “insurance” you’ll now be forced by your Caring Government to buy. And continued good luck with all that. The rest of us will be over to the side laughing ourselves sick at you, as you drag us all down into the flames. If we can’t have our freedom back, well, at least we’ll always have your suffering as some small consolation. And just remember - WE TOLD YOU SO. - Morganite - 11-15-2013 Uh... I'm not gonna claim I don't basically agree with you, but you're getting a bit over the top here. -Morgan. - robkelk - 11-15-2013 Logan Darklighter Wrote:SO! Who's game for setting up one of those precious, pissy little “we’re sorry, world” websites directed at Tea Partiers now? Because if ever you liberals owed an apology to anybody, you owe a most abject one to the foresighted Americans you derided as insane, stupid, seditious, un-American, and extremist. Because THEY WERE RIGHT ABOUT ALL THIS, and YOU WERE WRONG. Completely wrong. Dead wrong. Wrong as…well, as only dullards clinging to a hundred-year-old ideology that's been an abject failure every time it's ever been tried can be. Look at the unbiased international studies. I've mentioned them many, many times in the past. If you folks want affordable healthcare, you're going to have to go socialist on it in order to get the necessary economies of scale. Yes, it's "un-American" - but it's the only thing that will work. -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Logan Darklighter - 11-15-2013 Around here? "Over the top" is what I'm known for. It's not exactly out of character. I do try to keep it reined in somewhat most of the time. But it's been a rough week and just this once I decided to flat out indulge. Besides I feel MUCH better now after having let it all hang out. I figure no one's going to to say " tell us how you REALLY feel!" after this one. ![]() There's oh so much more I could lob into the mix. There's so much more coming down the pipe. And I haven't even mentioned Project Veritas. But that's for later. For now I'm going to go back to just munching popcorn and laughing quietly as the whole thing unravels and hoping that the Rs don't lift one damn finger to hinder whatever happens. Just let the whole damn edifice implode on its own. - Dartz - 11-15-2013 Am I the only one who's noticed a distinct difference in tone between both sides of the law's supporters...... Either way. Seems like modern capitalism is nothing more than finding ways to write more and more blank cheques for the private sector with taxpayer's money. Either directly through funneling billions in taxes and subsidies to private companies for rapidly disemproving services, or by drafting laws that make purchases mandatory, cause anti-competitive monopolies to form or just plain ignoring obvious graft and substandard equipment under the guise of being 'industry friendly'. It's hard for it not to be an utter clusterfuck for everyone else when the primary aim is just to enrichen the people who pay your campaign donations. No matter which 'law' wins... ultimately the true winner will be the insurance companies and hospitals. The only difference is who gets screwed over in their favour. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Logan Darklighter - 11-15-2013 Quote:Dartz wrote:Oh indeed. I'm not crying for these people, needless to say. They helped make ObamaCare happen. They were only too happy to see healthy young adults forced into buying their product by a constitutionally dubious mandate and to gouge healthy middle-class people with the new, more expensive plans required by the exchanges. They wouldn’t have partnered with the White House if this wasn’t a payday for them. But now they’re screwed twice over: Not only are Democrats trying to make them the fall guy for the cancellations, they’re looking at their payday melting down into red ink if they take Obama’s “advice” and re-create the old risk pool. Oh well. No honor among thieves. They're certainly not taking it lying down, though. Quote:WASHINGTON — The health insurance industry isAnd then - not too long after that, the president of America’s Health Insurance Plans released this statement: Quote:“Making sure consumers have secure, affordable coverageThere’s no policy upside for Democrats in supporting the idea; it’s pure political CYA, and insanely short-sighted in that it’ll only compound their political problem next year if AHIP’s prediction is borne out and exchange plans become even more expensive. Rich Lowry has an idea about why this has become so politically dangerous to O. It’s harder for Democrats to hide the football this time. Quote:The great engine of the welfare state is the hidden cost. Usually, the costs of a new program or regulation are too diffuse or distant to matter much politically in comparison to the promise of a direct benefit. This time, the costs aren’t hidden. They are immediate and concrete in the canceled policies and the higher premiums, and they are making the politics of Obamacare toxic.When otherwise loyal Democrats are on TV seething over being lied to about what’s obviously a subsidization scheme, you know things have gone badly wrong with the usual M.O. - Dartz - 11-16-2013 Similar policies are cropping up more and more over here as well, where the obvious aim is just to enrichen someone, somewhere with taxpayer's money under the guise of being business friendly. Britain is considering charging for elements of the NHS - which led to the hilarious image of David Cameron demanding more austerity while wearing White Tie, sitting on a golden throne and drinking champagne. There's a picture of modern politics if ever there was one. I like how the fact that people on both sides seem to be giving the insurance companies a buy on this. When frankly, that right there is the heart of the problem. Nobody dares challenge them for fear of '!Communism' - not the contents of a book by Karl Marx, but the abstract terror of Cold War annihilation that still lingers in the back of people's minds. There's no political will to tackle what is clearly an industry that is causing harm to a good number of people. Arguably, it's the base insurance industry itself that has caused such an explosion in hospital bills - because a good number of people will have insurance anyway, insurance companies are able to negotiate better rates than the book-rate the hospital offers, and having such massively high rates benefits both the hospital as negotiating leverage (And encouraging people to buy insurance when they know a broken arm will bankrupt the average household). It's not about making insurance uneccessary for most people -which might rock the boat for the companies a little - but by making insurance available for more people by making it mandatory for everyone who falls outside of government programs- which suits the companies just fine. Especially the part about subsidised premiums. I've sat out most of the argument on the merits of the law - because frankly, in my opinion, both sides are flat fucking wrong, but it's impossible to say that both sides are flat wrong anymore because everyone must take a side. Does the system need to be reformed - yes, it does. Badly. Horrifically. But already that's enough to push me to one side before I say that this most definitely is not the way to reform it. Ultimately, the sides people take seem to be governed more by which order they say that in, than what they actually feel on the matter. Furthermore, reducing a concept as complex as the ACA down to a single word that means two seperate things depending on what side of the debate your on, that you can either be for or against depending on what party you support rather than picking and choosing from the various contents and having an educated opinion, makes it so much easier to either ram through - or kill outright. It shuts down all the real debate on the matter and stops the real reforms that're obviously necessary. It's either all-in, or all-out and is symptomatic of a serious failure in modern democracy. It's a demolition of informed debate and opinion. But. my biggest fear - and the reason I've been watching this - is that this bullshit will be exported as an example of another 'Business-friendly' policy that the privatisation-hawks over on the continent will shove down everyone's throats. Even worse - the scumbags will call it employment friendly and dress it up in fancy language to make people swallow it. When in truth, it'll be anything but. (You don't make money by hiring more people, you fire as many as you can get away with, cut everything right to the bone, then leave people no other option so you can do the absolute bare minimum to keep the government from fixing it - or worse, pay 'em off). Frankly - the private sector fucks things up far more than it fixes them. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Logan Darklighter - 11-20-2013 And the hits just keep on coming! Not sure if any of you remember this, but there was a "success story" of Obamacare that was made into a pretty significant part of one of Barry's speeches. A woman from Washington State signed up for coverage for herself and her son in October, the Washington state O-Care exchange quoted her a monthly premium of $169 after subsidies. Wonderful, she thought, and dashed off an e-mail to O congratulating him on his policy triumph. He read that e-mail at his presser in late October in the Rose Garden. Meanwhile, back in Washington state, his correspondent was receiving new letters from the state O-Care exchange — which, mind you, is supposed to be one of the better functioning systems in the country. There’d been an error. Quote:Sanford said she received another letter informing her the Washington state health exchange had miscalculated her eligibility for a tax credit.Rate shock, part one. But then came the sequel: Quote:Last week, Sanford received another letter from the Washington state exchange, stating there had been another problem, a “system error” that resulted in some “applicants to qualify for higher than allowed health insurance premium tax credits.”…Her problem is both simple and complicated. Read this Washington State Wire post for the complicated part. The first erroneous premium quote was due to — surprise — the feds and the state not having their act together in calculating subsidies. The feds were expecting each applicant’s annual income; the state gave them each applicant’s monthly income. That led to a massive overestimate of how much taxpayer money each applicant was entitled to. The second bad quote came from poor advice given by the state itself: They encouraged her to enroll her son, who has ADHD, in the state Medicaid program, but they didn’t tell her that that meant he couldn’t be counted towards her federal subsidies for her ObamaCare plan. After the second adjustment, she was entitled to no subsidy at all. The Kafkaesque result, per CNN: “Now I have been priced out and will not be able to afford the plans you offer. But, I get to pay $95 and up for not having health insurance.” That’s the complicated part, although don’t confuse “complicated” for “unanticipated.” When you remake one-sixth of the country’s economy, you’re destined to have lots of screw-ups and inefficiencies even with a competent administration in charge. As it is, we’re stuck with people who pegged the success or failure of the country’s biggest domestic reform in 50 years to their ability to build a functioning website and, despite three years’ lead time and hundreds of millions of dollars available, still couldn’t do it. On the other hand, though, the issue here is mercifully simple: New plans on the exchange simply cost too much for lower middle class people. Obama and the insurance industry needed the new plans to be more expensive than the old “cut-rate” ones in order to fund the de facto subsidy for covering preexisting conditions; that’s a burden that the upper middle class and, with great effort, the middle class itself can bear, but for lower middle class people who make slightly too much each year not to qualify for subsidies in paying their premiums, the Affordable Care Act ain’t all that affordable. It’s Obama’s misfortune that he chose the letter from this woman, of all people, to tout at the White House as evidence that the program was working. He’d have been much better off picking someone who was very poor and unquestionably entitled to a subsidy as a showpiece. Update: Speaking of misfortune, when it rains, it pours. - Logan Darklighter - 11-20-2013 Corruption, thy name is Obamacare. Is that the smell of ACORN? Time to shine a bit of light into some more dark corners and see what lies beneath. A system is bureaucratic, top-heavy and complex as Obamacare is ripe for abuse and mistakes even with well-meaning people manning the system. What if you have not-so-well-meaning people? There was always the chance that Obamacare navigators could be bad actors, urging people to lie about their income or health, as new video from Project Veritas suggests they already are. Quote:James O’Keefe, the guerrilla videographer who helped bring down ACORN (the “community organizing” group that Barack Obama worked for as a lawyer and trainer) and got NPR’s president fired, is back. HHS Sec. Kathleen Sebelius admitted in an exchange with Sen. John Cornyn that there is no requirement that navigators, who have access to your most important personal information, go through a criminal background check: Quote:“Isn’t it true that there is no federal requirement for navigators to undergo a criminal background check,” Cornyn asked her.But the navigators are by no means the only open window for crooks in Obamacare. There's the trainwreck of the website itself, which did not even go through a top-to-bottom security check before launching. As a test, CBS gave one technology expert the real healthcare.gov username of a CBS employee, and within seconds, he identified the specific security question she used to reset her password. Sean Henry, the former assistant director of the FBI’s cyber division, said the security issues need to be taken seriously. “If somebody’s got the ability to look at a source code and able to reverse-engineer that and identify what somebody’s personal questions are, that should be of concern,” Henry said. Politico: Quote:Early stumbles on the hobbled Obamacare website —Obamacare is a system so complex, so incompetently administered that it doesn’t even require malice on the part of navigators or the bill’s allies to screw up people’s lives royally. What if you add malice and intent to the mix? Quote:With millions of Americans frustrated and bewildered byI know for damned sure I don't want my information going through this security sieve. But maybe those of you who were such big believers in government run healthcare would like to put your faith in them? "By all means, after you, Francois!" - Dartz - 11-20-2013 Quote:As a test, CBS gave one technology expert the real healthcare.gov username of a CBS employee, and within seconds, he identified the specific security question she used to reset her password. Minor point of order. Given cursory information about someone, guessing the answer to their security question is quite simple. Quite frankly, on the IT side of things. It's exactly what could be expected of a system so hideously complex, built from the ground up with minimal testing, by a combination of dozens of low bidders and donation-friends of various politicians. Half of the hideous mess is a result of the complexities of the law, various subsidies, credits, rebates, fingerings and felony concerns.... and doing it nationwide. Edit" Well, there's your problem.... It could probably be summed up in 4 letters...... SAIC Quote:As you look down the list put together by the Sunlight Foundation, it's all companies like this: giant monstrosities which are simply tied in closely with the government. All the large consulting firms are listed: Accenture, Deloitte, PricewaterhouseCoopers, McKinsey. What's missing? Basically any company with even the slightest smidgen of experience building and maintaining large-scale, public-facing web-based apps. The list has no "internet native" companies.________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Logan Darklighter - 11-20-2013 Absolutely agreed Dartz. It's big government in the form of "crony capitalism" (which is a damn long way from the free-market capitalism most conservatives and tea partier's believe would actually help the healthcare system) come back to bite Obamacare in the ass. - Logan Darklighter - 11-20-2013 OMG... This just keeps getting better and better! By which I mean worse and worse for the right people. Remember when this happened in Pittsburgh in the second week of the ObamaCare rollout? At least this time, Kathleen Sebelius signed up more people on her visit yesterday to South Florida than she did in Pennsylvania. A whopping two people managed to get all the way through the failing website to enroll in insurance during this media event at the office of an official ACA navigator: Quote:Sebelius, wearing green, walked through the front doorsActually, it doesn't. It means that the front end of Healthcare.gov still can’t handle anywhere near the promised level of demand, even though the law makes enrollments mandatory. And the one failure wasn’t a fluke, either: Quote:“It went down three times,” said Williams referring to the site, “but we’re just going to keep trying,” he added.What was that I seem to recall about insanity being defined as doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results? Why would the White House want Sebelius to do these live media events when the website is so unstable that repeated crashes end up on the news? If this happens every day, wouldn’t it be better for Sebelius to stick around the office and run the rescue operation? After all, according to Dan Pfeiffer, that’s enough to keep Barack Obama from appearing at the 150th anniversary of the Gettysburg Address. Man, this schadenfreude flavored popcorn tastes astoundingly good! ^_^ - Rajvik - 11-21-2013 what makes this even more funny is that 3 guys in their "basement" built a working version inside a week. Stable, doesnt give anyone any trouble in their tests, the only problem, it gives you the tiers and prices up front, not at the end or after you've entered all your "private" data - Logan Darklighter - 11-21-2013 Quote:Rajvik wrote:Oh we can't possibly have that! Then people would be able to see what's there and then back quietly out and then the government wouldn't have them enslaved... er... I mean enrolled! Enrolled in the system, yes. And what about all the juicy kickbacks we give to our political donors... I mean contractors! (sarcasm tags as needed) - CattyNebulart - 11-21-2013 Rajvik Wrote:what makes this even more funny is that 3 guys in their "basement" built a working version inside a week. Stable, doesnt give anyone any trouble in their tests, the only problem, it gives you the tiers and prices up front, not at the end or after you've entered all your "private" data Because A) The system doesn't need to deal with the kind of scale, B) it probably does not reflect the various state law ideosynchrasies, C) It doesn't have the anti-fraud systems the official one has to have, D) They don't need to deal with large organisation beurocracy. It is certainly possible to roll out a system of this scale in the time they had, but that would have required strong leadership and management, and a willingness to tell states that since they didn't want to implement their own exchange any changes they want in the exchange... well too bad, it gets put in the after roll-out task-list, this includes changes in statelaws regarding healthcare, etc (ah I can hear the states that didn't want to cooperate howl). That way you are working towards a fixed set of objectives not a constantly changing set. I do note requirements where still being changed until just before the rollout. Garanteed disaster that, you need a fixed set of requirements to work towards if you are going to do it quickly and well. Second you should probably rely on an internal team, not contractors, and if you are relying on contractors go hire someone that knows how to do this, talk to google, or perhaps microsoft or... basicly any of the providers that know how to build scalable systems. Hell the NIH could just look at who has done well in projects like CaGRID, which is fairly large scale and hire those contractors instead of the set they hired that is more adept at navigating the federal beurocracy and at leaching money than doing their task. (Ah I can hear congress howl about their pork providers not being treated fairly.) And finally The order of priorities should be; Works, Scalable, Complies With Rules, Pretty. Instead the Priority was pretty clearly, Looks Pretty, Complies With Rules, Works, Scalable. Yes purple text on a black background looks very nice, until you try to read it, and while the sins of the website where not that bad it was very clearly designed to look pretty first and foremost, but then that is often all that non-technical management sees, and even technical management won't see more unless they dig in. This is a very common problem. (Ah I can hear upper management howl about the looks. Get it working as black text on a white page before adding images, css and everything else.) You don't need to do all three, but you better do at least two of them, and do them well if you are skipping one. E: "Did they... did they just endorse the combination of the JSDF and US Army by showing them as two lesbian lolicons moving in together and holding hands and talking about how 'intimate' they were?" B: "Have you forgotten so soon? They're phasing out Don't Ask, Don't Tell." - Dartz - 11-21-2013 This is not a defect with the ACA. This is a defect with government culture.... If three guys can do a good job of it, why weren't they hired? There're two possibilities: 1: Nobody ever got fired for hiring Big Name Brands like Northrop, SAIC and the like - no matter how poor the service they offered was in actuality. Because the brand still speaks volumes. Hiring three guys in a shed is a risky thing, and people in Government positions hate risk. Because if they hire three guys in a shed, and the thing tanks - well the natural question is 'Why did you hire three guys in a shed?'. When if they hired Northrop to do it, well, they made all the right moves hiring a known quantity that has completed hundreds of government projects in the past... so it must be someone elses fault if it tanks. Some analyst's head rolls at one of the big companies and it all rolls along. 2: Three guys in a shed didn't have the money to buy enough congressmen. Either one is a cultural failure, and is not something exclusive to one particular administration. What I find funny however, is that while we might agree on what the problem is - the solutions we'd offer would be entirely different. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Logan Darklighter - 11-21-2013 Also - the Website failing isn't even the main issue. It's funny as hell, yes. But frankly - Barry and crew should be GRATEFUL that it's failing so hard. Because millions more people would be suffering sticker shock and discovering just how badly they've been screwed. Besides the millions who have already been sent cancellations from their insurance companies of course. And that's not even counting what will happen next year when the employer mandate kicks in and most companies dump their employees health care and leave them to the tender mercies of "The Exchange". "If you like your plan, you can keep your plan." Is likely going to go down as one of the biggest, baldest lies in history. It will easily eclipse "Read my lips - no new taxes!" and "I did not have sex with that woman!" in the public memory. - Dartz - 11-21-2013 I still like how nobody's dared criticise the insurance company's for the rate increases - instead laying it all on the President's doorstep. Everyone seems to assume they're just acting fairly and ethically and won't ever under any circumstances take advantage of circumstances to their benefit. Being in business does not automatically make one more concerned for your fellow man's welfare - especially when your product is mandatory, and you make you best profits by finding loopholes to deny your captive customers the product they paid for when they finally need it. Is it even possible that some companies may be happily taking advantage of it just to bilk more money out of people and post record profits at the end of the year? You're happy to point the finger at the president. But nobody dares touch the industry. Why is the insurance industry being given a free pass? When argiuably they are at least as responsible... if not more so. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Rajvik - 11-27-2013 dartz you really cant blame the insurance companies, they're being forced to increase coverage and you can't blame them for covering their bottom line by increasing the cost the same level as they have to increase coverage. Also they are being forced to cover people they wouldnt have covered before due to pre-existing conditions. - Logan Darklighter - 11-28-2013 Presented without comment (since it's almost Thanksgiving and I'm kinda busy.) - Logan Darklighter - 11-28-2013 HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!! - Logan Darklighter - 12-12-2013 I may have nearly reached the limits of my verbiage on this subject (for now) but Bill Whittle - who is much better at turning a phrase than me - has a lot more to say about the Hammer of Reality that is about to hit us all. But it's especially going to hit progressives hard. - Logan Darklighter - 12-12-2013 How DID the Obamacare website cost the American Taxpayer 20,000% what it should have? Yeah. A billion. With a "B" - for "Banana Republic" which is where we're headed. - Logan Darklighter - 12-12-2013 Ah yes - the 1%. The rich. The people who the progressives say they hate soooo much. Guess what, chumps? You've been DUPED. AGAIN. You in the 99% - you just got OWNED by Obama and the elites at the top of the political system. - Logan Darklighter - 12-15-2013 Well it's been a month since I opened this topic. And there's been only had one half-hearted attempt at counterpoint and that was Rob saying words to the effect of "both sides were wrong" which was pretty lukewarm. Damn near room temperature even. I mean c'mon! Where's the firebrands? Where's Ayiekie? Where's MFnord? Where's RevDark or ordnance11? Or Epsilon? Where's the point by point breakdown about how wrong I am and how all of this is just the "usual teething problems" of a new social program and that it will all work out and we conservatives are fools for opposing this etc etc. Hell - failing that - where's the last ditch attempts at shutting me down by calling me a racist for daring to question Barry's lying ass? Here's what I think - I think for once all of you on the left KNOW you're fucked 10 ways from Sunday** and that there's NO defense possible of this train wreck. But you'd never - NEVER - not in a million years - give up the satisfaction of even acknowledging it by even admitting this thread ever existed in the first place. That's okay. I'm perfectly cool with that. Your silence says everything I need to hear. (** Well to be fair - we're ALL fucked, liberal and conservative alike. ) |