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See where in the US (Taxpayers.) rely the most on it's government's biggest anti-poverty program - Thesilentjackofalltrade - 02-03-2014
http://knowmore.washingtonpost.com/2014 ... y-program/
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Ironically enough, it is the republican states that use it the most, with some heavy hit spots in democratic states.
But I think that this map might be skewed, I think they are using the percentage of that district.
Districts in places like new york city are going to have many times more people, and thus many more people using these programs.
Just compare it to what was posted in WTF pics for the day in general chatter:
Quote:Ankhani wrote:The population is vastly unbalanced, and thus by default most percentage charts are going to be unbalanced too.
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- CattyNebulart - 02-03-2014
Thesilentjackofalltrade Wrote:The population is vastly unbalanced, and thus by default most percentage charts are going to be unbalanced too.
That is not how % work, the dark areas indicate places where half the people are on the program, so if there is a dark dot in new york than half of the population is on EITC, which does represent 10 million or so people so more that some entire dark states.
The reason why Georgia is so dark is not because it has a lot of people but because half the people there need the EITC.
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- Thesilentjackofalltrade - 02-03-2014
Quote:CattyNebulart wrote:Think that there was a slight misunderstanding because of how poorly I chose my words look back at it now.Quote:Thesilentjackofalltrade wrote:
The population is vastly unbalanced, and thus by default most percentage charts are going to be unbalanced too.
That is not how % work, the dark areas indicate places where half the people are on the program, so if there is a dark dot in new york than half of the population is on EITC, which does represent 10 million or so people so more that some entire dark states.
The reason why Georgia is so dark is not because it has a lot of people but because half the people there need the EITC.
I can't find a way of saying it that doesn't come out with some sort of flaw, so I guess I just concede the argument since I can see the holes myself.
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- Werehawk - 02-03-2014
Map looks very iffy to me as a tool.
You'd have to do an actual breakdown as to what the actual population of each county is as percentage of state population and what percentage of a given states population benefits from the EITC to get a better idea of how each state is. If you want to go into the political side of things I'd also want to look at what the actual political leaning of a given county would be. My personal bet is that there would be little to no correlation between a given county being red or blue and the EITC.
Also I suspect the EITC tends to break down as a poverty reduction tool in states with a higher Cost of Living as it is indexed on an income level and fails to take into account actual cost of living in a given jurisdiction.
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- Thesilentjackofalltrade - 02-03-2014
I also suspect that, at least in the case of Louisiana and parts of Mississippi, need more help then other states due to Hurricane Katrina and the Deep water Horizon oil rig incident messing up quite a lot for the Southern coast in recent times.
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- ECSNorway - 02-03-2014
Another reason that maps like this are misleading: Their very size conceals a lot of information. For example, urban NYC is a tiny dot on this scale... yet probably contains more people on EITC than the entire state of Alabama.
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- Rod.H - 02-04-2014
Right, so two more statistical/information maps are needed, population density for that period in the same presentation format - the one using units of Canada didn't work, and a map of electoral districts covering the same time frame. Which thanks to your major political parties long habit of gerrymandering, won't even follow county lines and will probably make as much sense as the population in units of Canada one.
- Black Aeronaut - 02-04-2014
Even so, it would be interesting to see such a compilation. Granted, it would be impossible to compile it all into one map and have it make sense, but compare the three side-by-side would still yield some interesting information.
- ECSNorway - 02-04-2014
One mapping technique I've seen that would combine them nicely uses some interesting distortions. Basically it makes the size of an area proportional to its actual population, then colors by the percent of that population involved.
Just for comparison: In overall population, New York City has literally twice as many people as the entire STATE of Alabama.
AL: 4.82 millionNYC: 8.34 million
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- ECSNorway - 02-04-2014
A few minutes of googling found some solid statistics:
Alabama:
4.82 million total population
1.1 million total population EITC-eligible - 22.8% of population
55.4% White, 40.1% Black, 2.4% Hispanic, 2% Asian/Other
Median Adjusted Gross Income: $13k
35% on food stamps
New York Metropolitan Area:
8.34 million total population
3.4 million total EITC-eligible population - 40.8% of population
Median Adjusted Gross Income: $15k
30% White, 25% Black, 34% Hispanic, 11% Asian/Other
32% on food stamps
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- ECSNorway - 02-04-2014
(Median AGI listed above is, obviously, that of only those eligible for the EITC.)
Source: http://www.brookings.edu/about/programs ... c-profiles
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- Ebony - 02-04-2014
The Southwest makes a certain amount of sense. The border areas in Texas are notably poverty-sticken, and the dark spots in Arizona and New Mexico (on the shared border) are probably the Navaho and Ute Reservations, which are phenomenally poor areas, economically.
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- ECSNorway - 02-05-2014
And some areas - such as that big stretch in Alaska - are -cash- poor, but the people living there are actually doing quite well by themselves. Mostly small to midsize farms and ranches. A lot of places like that are actually fairly land-wealthy but don't have a lot of taxable income, so qualify for the EITC anyway.
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