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Man dies of starvation after benefits cut. - Dartz - 03-03-2014 What do you get when you combine Conservatism, Austerity, the obscene myth of the 'welfare queen' and the almost Victorian sentiment that life must be made as miserable as possible for those on benefits, just so they know who worthless and shit they are? ATOS. Which has, effectively, just killed a man They're one step shy of bringing back the workhouse.... Quote:44-year-old died months after sickness and housing benefits were stopped following Atos fitness-for-work assessment________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - ordnance11 - 03-03-2014 Sounds like policies the libertarian wing of the GOP would go for. __________________ Into terror!, Into valour! Charge ahead! No! Never turn Yes, it's into the fire we fly And the devil will burn! - Scarlett Pimpernell - ECSNorway - 03-04-2014 Government bureaucracy is insensitive and stupid. In other news, water is wet, ice is cold, and it's dark out at night. -- Sucrose Octanitrate. Proof positive that with sufficient motivation, you can make anything explode. - Valles - 03-04-2014 Quote:ECSNorway wrote:A man dies because the safety net that basic human decency should have given him a right to was destroyed - not failed, destroyed, not for any functional reason, but for greed and spiteful lies - and the only thing you can think to say about it is to attack the idea of having a safety net? What the fuck? =========== =============================================== "V, did you do something foolish?" "Yes, and it was glorious." - Black Aeronaut - 03-04-2014 You know, I wonder just how conservative these gobshites (to borrow a term from our esteemed representatives from across the pond) would be if we decided to go Old Testament on these people... see how they like being forced to live on £40 a week to live on and not have any help from their families. - Dartz - 03-04-2014 This isn't a government bureaucracy, however. This is a private company that was hired by a government to replace the bureaucracy. In my experience, government bureaucracies tend to be less actively malicious and more downright forgetful and a little bit slow. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - Bob Schroeck - 03-04-2014 This is true -- governments (at least republican/democratically-elected ones) are malicious mostly as an unintended consequence of hiring what D&D would call Lawful Neutral people to run their agencies -- The Law Is The Law, and good or evil doesn't matter. Commerical enterprises will be deliberately malicious -- and quite active and nimble about it -- whenever it maximizes profits, and nothing keeps them from doing so. Not that it matters -- death caused by accidental malice is no less dead than that caused by deliberate malice. -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. - robkelk - 03-04-2014 Valles Wrote:It looked to me more like an insult to bureaucrats (one of whom is myself, BTW), not an attack on a concept.ECSNorway Wrote:Government bureaucracy is insensitive and stupid.A man dies because the safety net that basic human decency should have given him a right to was destroyed - not failed, destroyed, not for any functional reason, but for greed and spiteful lies - and the only thing you can think to say about it is to attack the idea of having a safety net? -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - ordnance11 - 03-04-2014 Quote:robkelk wrote:*Shrug* He's a libertarian. The concept of big government (and I suspect any government) is anathema to him. Their concept of paradise would be a return to the 90's. 1890 not 1990. Or being run like Bangladesh. The only government spending (unlimited budget) they would support is the armed forces. The funny thing is that the smart libertarians I speak with had privately admitted their ideas would not be practical in the real world. The crazy ones are the one that insist it can be done.Quote:Valles wrote:It looked to me more like an insult to bureaucrats (one of whom is myself, BTW), not an attack on a concept.Quote:ECSNorway wrote:A man dies because the safety net that basic human decency should have given him a right to was destroyed - not failed, destroyed, not for any functional reason, but for greed and spiteful lies - and the only thing you can think to say about it is to attack the idea of having a safety net? If you want one example, the attempted deregulation of California's power utilities. I don't see any libertarians calling that it be done more. __________________ Into terror!, Into valour! Charge ahead! No! Never turn Yes, it's into the fire we fly And the devil will burn! - Scarlett Pimpernell - ECSNorway - 03-04-2014 Quote:Valles wrote:*scratches head* How in HELL you got that reading out of what I said, I do NOT know, Valles, but you're making me doubt that you're in this thread to do anything but look for targets to rant at.Quote:ECSNorway wrote:A man dies because the safety net that basic human decency should have given him a right to was destroyed - not failed, destroyed, not for any functional reason, but for greed and spiteful lies - and the only thing you can think to say about it is to attack the idea of having a safety net? -- Sucrose Octanitrate. Proof positive that with sufficient motivation, you can make anything explode. - khagler - 03-04-2014 Just on the off chance that anyone actually cares what "libertarian" really means: A libertarian is a person who believes that no one has the right, under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human being, or to advocate or delegate its initiation. - robkelk - 03-05-2014 khagler Wrote:Just on the off chance that anyone actually cares what "libertarian" really means: A libertarian is a person who believes that no one has the right, under any circumstances, to initiate force against another human being, or to advocate or delegate its initiation.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Libertarianism]Wikipedia appears to disagree with you. The definitions they have - and there are eight different definitions - do not mention force at all. -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Valles - 03-05-2014 Quote:ECSNorway wrote:*scratches head* How in HELL you got that reading out of what I said, I do NOT know, Valles, but you're making me doubt that you're in this thread to do anything but look for targets to rant at.Are you seriously going to try to claim that the practical upside of 'Government is always evil like this' wasn't going to be 'so destroy Government'? Because that's always been my experience with that line of argument, and I'm not going to apologize for thinking it's in really bad taste under the circumstances. =========== =============================================== "V, did you do something foolish?" "Yes, and it was glorious." - khagler - 03-05-2014 Quote:robkelk wrote:Wikipedia's organization can be a bit lacking. Try here.Quote:khagler wrote:Wikipedia appears to disagree with you. The definitions they have - and there are eight different definitions - do not mention force at all. - ordnance11 - 03-05-2014 Quote:khagler wrote:Since all known forms of government require some form of compulsion or coercion, won't it make a libertarian anti-government..i.e. against any government by definition. So a libetarian government would be an oxymoron by your definition? __________________ Into terror!, Into valour! Charge ahead! No! Never turn Yes, it's into the fire we fly And the devil will burn! - Scarlett Pimpernell - khagler - 03-05-2014 Quote:ordnance11 wrote:Basically, yes.Quote:khagler wrote:Since all known forms of government require some form of compulsion or coercion, won't it make a libertarian anti-government..i.e. against any government by definition. So a libetarian government would be an oxymoron by your definition? In theory it's possible for something you might call a very minimal government to exist based on voluntary cooperation, but the best known example is actually fictional--Heinlein's Lunar society in The Moon is a Harsh Mistress. The only real-world example I can think of offhand is pre-colonization Somali society, which was very similar to Heinlein's fictional one (I wouldn't be surprised if it was where he got the idea). I find it simpler to just say I'm anti-government. |