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"Could non-citizens decide the November election?" - TheTwisted1 - 10-27-2014 So ask researchers http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/mon ... -election/: Quote:Could control of the Senate in 2014 be decided by illegal votes cast by non-citizens? Some argue that incidents of voting by non-citizens are so rare as to be http://www.immigrationpolicy.org/just-f ... oter-fraud, with efforts to block fraud a screen for an agenda to prevent poor and minority voters from exercising the franchise, while others define such incidents as a threat to itself. Both sides depend more heavily on anecdotes than data. The outcome: Quote:How many non-citizens participate in U.S. elections? More than 14 percent of non-citizens in both the 2008 and 2010 samples indicated that they were registered to vote. Furthermore, some of these non-citizens voted. Our best guess, based upon extrapolations from the portion of the sample with a verified vote, is that 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010. Patrick "Patterico" Frey http://patterico.com/2014/10/24/wapo-pu ... very-blog/ a bit more: Quote:The progressive think tank http://www.americanprogress.org/issues/ ... n-today-3/ puts the number of noncitizens in the U.S. at 22.1 million in 2012. Of these, “13.3 million were legal permanent residents, 11.3 million were unauthorized migrants, and 1.9 million were on temporary visas.” These numbers are roughly consistent with numbers offered by the http://www.dhs.gov/xlibrary/assets/sta ... e_2011.pdf (.pdf) and http://kaiserhealthnews.org/news/health ... mmigrants/. So let’s take 22 million as our number of noncitizens.(emphasis in original) So, count this as yet another example of how "democracy" is a sham: there are always Gracchi Brothers ready to gain power by expanding (and diluting) the franchise. Note also from Richman and Earnest: Quote:We also find that one of the favorite policies advocated by conservatives to prevent voter fraud appears strikingly ineffective. Nearly three quarters of the non-citizens who indicated they were asked to provide photo identification at the polls claimed to have subsequently voted. So don't expect the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Job_(profe ... wrestling) Republicans to be fixing this. --The Twisted One "If you wish to converse with me, define your terms." --Voltaire - robkelk - 10-27-2014 Hang on a minute - are you saying that people who have lived in a particular place for years and have paid taxes there are supposed to be disenfranchised because they haven't finished going through the citizenship process? Didn't you folks have a revolution about that a couple of centuries ago? (Just thought I'd spin this in the opposite direction...) -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Rev Dark - 10-27-2014 They are making some pretty big claims based on some very small samples and their conclusions and extrapolations on the data are shite. Math - they are doing it wrong. Quote:32,800 in 2008 and 55,400 in 2010) provide sufficient samples of the |