ordnance11 Wrote:Normally, I'd be wary of mixing politics and religion, but since Ill Papa says so, who am I to argue? The man must be saying something right if the GOP is mad about it.

Quote:Rick Santorum, a devout Catholic and a long-shot contender for the Republican nomination, told a Philadelphia radio station: “The church has gotten it wrong a few times on science, and I think we probably are better off leaving science to the scientists and focusing on what we’re good at, which is theology and morality.”

Quote:Somebody please tell Mr. Santorum that he has no right to tell somebody
else to do something if he isn't willing to do the same thing himself.

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The fun part is different:
The Pope of the Catholic Church is widely considered a "respected authority figure" by billions of people, catholic or not, because of his office. That is a fact, and encouraging it has been the policy of the Church for centuries already.
Many of these politicians who now complain about the Pope are actually catholic themselves, and thus have accepted him as the ULTIMATE authority on earth. Other ones have hailed him too because he shares their position on subjects like abortion and homosexuality.

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The fun part is different:
The Pope of the Catholic Church is widely considered a "respected authority figure" by billions of people, catholic or not, because of his office. That is a fact, and encouraging it has been the policy of the Church for centuries already.
Many of these politicians who now complain about the Pope are actually catholic themselves, and thus have accepted him as the ULTIMATE authority on earth. Other ones have hailed him too because he shares their position on subjects like abortion and homosexuality.

Actually, no.
Most of the Theocrazy wing among the GOP are not Catholic at all, they're Protestants. Lutherans, Methodists, Calvinists, Baptists, you name it.The idea of the Pope speaking directly for God is, to their minds, not merely wrong, but blasphemous and heretical. There's been some rapproachment amongst the various denominations in the past few decades but there are still a lot of churches, especially in the US southeast where a lot of these guys come from, that still teach that the Pope is literally the mouthpiece of Satan.

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I love how everything religious is mocked and derided. And many on this board and elsewhere have been more than willing to bring up how wrong the Catholic Church has been for over 500 years in regards to science. (certainly deserved criticism in all too many cases).
But as soon as the Pontiff says he's for action on global warming, all of a sudden he's a RESPECTED AUTHORITY FIGURE by secularists and leftists. 
The fact that the cognitive dissonance isn't even noticed is absolutely freaking hilarious! 

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I love how everything religious is mocked and derided. And many on this board and elsewhere have been more than willing to bring up how wrong the Catholic Church has been for over 500 years in regards to science. (certainly deserved criticism in all too many cases).
But as soon as the Pontiff says he's for action on global warming, all of a sudden he's a RESPECTED AUTHORITY FIGURE by secularists and leftists. 
The fact that the cognitive dissonance isn't even noticed is absolutely freaking hilarious! 

I'm surprised that you sembrace exactly the same kind of political strawmanning you call others out on, Logan. 

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I love how everything religious is mocked and derided. And many on this board and elsewhere have been more than willing to bring up how wrong the Catholic Church has been for over 500 years in regards to science. (certainly deserved criticism in all too many cases).
But as soon as the Pontiff says he's for action on global warming, all of a sudden he's a RESPECTED AUTHORITY FIGURE by secularists and leftists. 
The fact that the cognitive dissonance isn't even noticed is absolutely freaking hilarious! 

I'm surprised that you sembrace exactly the same kind of political strawmanning you call others out on, Logan. 

So, it's okay for liberals to accuse conservatives of hypocrisy, but not for conservatives to call out liberal hypocrisy, apparently. Nice to know. I'll have to keep that in mind.

Quote:Now, let's be clear. There is no sin in this. We ended up here based on a
million collective decisions over two centuries. Many of these
decisions were based in developing technologies that have led to a
better standard of living for a whole lot of human beings. The problem,
however, comes in when turning a blind eye to the recently discovered
consequences of what we built. The entrance of values into those
discussions is an explicit acknowledgement that continuing down this
path is going to mean immense additional human suffering. For others,
first, and then, quite likely, for ourselves, our children and our
grandchildren.

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Quote:Bob Schroeck wrote:

Quote:Logan Darklighter wrote:I love how everything religious is mocked and derided. And many on this board and elsewhere have been more than willing to bring up how wrong the Catholic Church has been for over 500 years in regards to science. (certainly deserved criticism in all too many cases).

But as soon as the Pontiff says he's for action on global warming, all of a sudden he's a RESPECTED AUTHORITY FIGURE by secularists and leftists. 

The fact that the cognitive dissonance isn't even noticed is absolutely freaking hilarious! 

I'm surprised that you sembrace exactly the same kind of political strawmanning you call others out on, Logan. 

So, it's okay for liberals to accuse conservatives of hypocrisy, but not for conservatives to call out liberal hypocrisy, apparently. Nice to know. I'll have to keep that in mind.

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I love how everything religious is mocked and derided. And many on this board and elsewhere have been more than willing to bring up how wrong the Catholic Church has been for over 500 years in regards to science. (certainly deserved criticism in all too many cases).
But as soon as the Pontiff says he's for action on global warming, all of a sudden he's a RESPECTED AUTHORITY FIGURE by secularists and leftists. 
The fact that the cognitive dissonance isn't even noticed is absolutely freaking hilarious! 

I'm surprised that you embrace exactly the same kind of political strawmanning you call others out on, Logan. 

So, it's okay for liberals to accuse conservatives of hypocrisy, but not for conservatives to call out liberal hypocrisy, apparently. Nice to know. I'll have to keep that in mind.

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What I read was that Logan had tripped Bob's PKB meter.

robkelk Wrote:And if the GOP really are this good at predicting the future, (a) why aren't they always in power, and (b) why's the USA in such bad shape?

Morganite Wrote:

robkelk Wrote:And if the GOP really are this good at predicting the future, (a) why aren't they always in power, and (b) why's the USA in such bad shape?

Aren't the people who think it's a good idea expecting it to be basically the same thing? It sounded to me like there was already out there for people to chew on.

Morganite Wrote:(Also, is (b) supposed to sound like a really stupid question?)

-Morgan.