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IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT BASES!!! PLEASE READ! (Some GOOD news!) - Logan Darklighter - 09-22-2012 From Arcanaville on the forums, reposted Verbatim with addendums since there's no guarantee of how much longer the official forums will functional: Not sure how often Zilem Kain reads these forums, but if you see him here or in game GET A HOLD OF HIM. He's the master base builder and has even more to lose than me in the event of the game closing in this regard! He's going to want to record all of his fantastic stuff from the Dojo and elsewhere! Quote:Black Pebble may have provided an interesting option to base builders that want to preserve their bases in some form. In another thread he mentioned an unannounced feature that is in I24, and in the I24 beta client. There is a freeflight camera option when playing back demorecords. It is not like the Sentinel program - it doesn't record all the raw data necessary to recreate the base in place for porting intact to a new server, as the character data can now be. But as a way to preserve a record, it's awesome! Electric Knight posts: Quote:First test inside of a base and it works like a freakin' charm. To quote Uberguy: "This playback feature may make bases one of the game's unique creative features we can best preserve, even in the worst-case scenario where allwe're left with are the clients." There are other places to find instructions for how to use the demorecord function. But here's some basics: Quote:To demorecord: /demorecord filename Quote:For those with limited experience with demorecord and/or are not technically inclined, here's the step by step process of how to do this:[/u] The only better news possible than this would be if someone developed a Sentinel-like program to record the raw data of a base for porting to a new server! (Private or owned by new publisher). (Well, the better BETTER news would be if we could save the game outright of course. But you know what I mean! ) - Star Ranger4 - 09-23-2012 Umm... Given this info, and given the plug and play data of what demo record does, acutally, shouldnt that. No wait. ... Okay, it would sort of have the details as of just how the base was put togeter, cause its gotta know that. but that doesnt mean that data is in a format that we can understand and use to rebuild later if we can. though, clearly if we get forced to plan z down the road, It would be nice if those dev's just rebuild the base building stuff from the ground up. Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky? That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry- NO QUARTER!!! -- "No Quarter", by Echo's Children - Logan Darklighter - 09-24-2012 Not to my knowledge. Unlike the Sentinel tool (which saves a copy of character data in a format that can be plugged directly back into a server to recreate the character whole - assuming CIty of Heroes can be saved etc.) this is not a full save. But what you CAN do is use it to just wander around the base and take as many pictures of it as you like EVEN IF A SERVER DOES NOT EXIST. And a Demorecord does something similar with a recording of a session with your character. You can view them at any time. Can't make costume changes or change them. But at least you can view them. - Ankhani - 09-24-2012 You can make changes to the character via editing the demo file, but that's a different technique. When playing back a demo, the Client is just a fancy media player (except better with freecamera). It'll show you anything that's technically possible to code into a demorecord. So you have access to all costumes, emotes and powersets for the purposes of editing/coding a demo file. --- The Master said: "It is all in vain! I have never yet seen a man who can perceive his own faults and bring the charge home against himself." >Analects: Book V, Chaper XXVI - Star Ranger4 - 09-24-2012 Umm. Yes and No Logan. In order for the demo to be able to act as a media player, especially in regards to the bases, Demorecord HAS to have 'saved' each room of the base (as far as type and location, and a couple of other things) as well as the objects in it, at least as far as an object ID (that the client then uses to look up things like item name, linked mesh, linked texture) and an XYZ location. You may not know what your seeing if you look at it via a text view, but its there. Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky? That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry- NO QUARTER!!! -- "No Quarter", by Echo's Children - Logan Darklighter - 09-24-2012 Okay I wasn't clear. Sorry. Yes - you can replace costume elements and even whole characters if you like - that's how Samuraiko does many of her films. She'll film someone doing an action, then replace them with Statesman or something. Or change a particular element to her liking (one type of sword for another etc.) And yes - it would record all the particulars of the code behind the base. What I'm saying is that none of this stuff in the demo-reocord function is anything which you can port BACK TO THE SERVER. It's ONLY Client side! So yeah - you can do stuff and make films etc. But you can't re-upload the stuff back to the servers and have it "Stick". That's what the Sentinel program is supposed to be able to do for characters. It records EVERYTHING about the characters - including the way that the SERVER END talks to and confirms that information - in such a way that one of those Sentinal save-files can be sent to (emailed to) whoever runs a server (whether private server or a new company that picks up City of Heroes) and the back-end stuff about the character that ONLY is server-side is plugged back into the SERVER SIDE ENGINE. THAT is why running the Sentinel program is so CRUCIAL if you're really interested in SAVING your characters on a permanent basis. It's NOT just a mids build or a visual record. It's a recording of everything about the character on BOTH the client AND server ends! If City of Heroes is saved - either on private servers or a new publisher - that means that you can have your EXISTING characters - AS THEY ARE including all Incarnate powers. You wouldn't have to start from scratch and do everything all over again. The demo-record does not do those things. It only records the basic client side VISUALS. Thus as a record or memento of the base it's a great tool. It would also be a good tool for rebuilding a base on any new server in the future (once a new supergroup is created and prestige is earned etc.) But it does NOT do the back-end server stuff that would allow you to plug the base details in and wave a server wand and VOILA the base back into existance. Is that more clear? - Star Ranger4 - 09-24-2012 Fair nuff, but it would, at least, give a reference if one did have to rebuild from scratch. Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky? That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry- NO QUARTER!!! -- "No Quarter", by Echo's Children - Logan Darklighter - 09-24-2012 Indeed. That was my main point. |