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A quick glimpse into the writer's mind - Bob Schroeck - 10-12-2016 As I continue to work out the details of the Ministry Battle, I inevitably come up with new, cool things for Doug to do. I then immediately figure out how to let a member of the DA do them instead. -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. - Bob Schroeck - 10-12-2016 I was on a long drive earlier today, and a song popped up in the shuffle on the player in the car, and it reminded me of a very early concept for the beginning of DW8, one that I came up with well before I had settled on Year 5 for the setting and framework. The idea was interesting enough that I figured, since I had started this thread, I might as well share it, however sketchy it might be. I never actually wrote this down before, so what you're seeing is essentially the 0.5 draft, created for your reading pleasure (?) right now. Quote:The story opens on Doug, Ron and Hermione, all crammed on his motorcycle, making a hasty near-crash-landing at Stonehenge, just about sunset. "We've got to hurry," a teary-eyed Hermione urges, "it won't take them more than a few minutes to figure out where we are." And basically from there, the three of them head off into a "make right what went wrong" plot... except unlike the usual Peggy Sue, it's three of them, and they haven't taken their younger selves' places -- there are two of each of them. And it's going to stay that way even if they do something that disrupts the timeline. Imagine the brainpower of two Hermiones working together... Oh, and when Doug meets Doug: Quote:I looked at the guy with my face. "Huh. Well, can't say I haven't anticipated something like this." -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. - Labster - 10-13-2016 We get two Hermiones? That means one for Ron and one for Harry! *squee* *ahem* That story might have been fun, but in the part you wrote down, there's not much reason it couldn't be adapted to another step entirely. "Now really Doc, you think Gallifreyans were the only ones to develop time travel?" But I really like the direction that DW8 is going, as it has the same kind of vibe as DW2. It has that feel of multiple groups of characters all with asymmetric information whose actions around each other inadvertently build to a greater whole. I liked DW5 too, I just liked DW2 more. I suppose it's like how my favorite form of comedy is farce, and this is like a dramatic version of farce. But instead of everything falling together at the end, we're too late and everything is forced to a new dramatic state. I'm not really sure what I'm talking about here, but TL;DR I like DW8, keep going! Also your story reminded me of a song. Quote:I then immediately figure out how to let a member of the DA do them instead.Ah, the challenge of moving from player to GM. -- ∇×V - Bob Schroeck - 10-13-2016 ... that is such an odd song. And I understand what you mean about DW2's plotting. Some of that was accidental -- caused by changes of course during the writing, or by new information that obsoleted stuff I had previously considered defniitiive -- but some of it was always there; the idea that Doug is on the outskirts rather than hip deep with the heroes of the setting was always part of it, and the asymmetric aspect you cite was an inevitable consequence. I realized quickly during the writing that DW5 wasn't going to work that way -- I'm still not sure why, it just didn't evolve in the ways that I anticipated, and we ended up dropping some subplots that just weren't going to work (like Aoshima). Because it didn't work out, though, I made a concerted effort to get that aspect back into the plot of DW8. Making sure it stays there is one of the things slowing me down, too... Quote:Ah, the challenge of moving from player to GM.Well, after all, I only have one Doug, and only an hour or so in which he can be awesome. But I have several dozen DA members, including the heroes of the books, which gives me so many more hours of awesome! -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. RE: A quick glimpse into the writer's mind - robkelk - 10-13-2016 As long as Doug gets some of the awesome. (I'm reminded of Assignment: Earth, the Star Trek episode where Kirk and Spock get to watch other people do things.) - Mamorien - 10-13-2016 For my part, I saw the words "the Altar Stone" and immediately thought of the Fixx's "Sign of Fire", which I can't seem to link without either embedding or getting a lot of munged BBCode. "Heart of stone, I tried to reach you / Of the altar stone, I tried to warn you..." - Bob Schroeck - 10-13-2016 Quote:As long as Doug gets some of the awesome.Oh, have no fear. Doug gets quite a bit of awesome and win. But nobody else lacks for it, at least on the good guys' side. I'll just say Lavender gets revenge for the film of DH2, Hermione is... well, Hermione cubed, and Hannah Abbot will be... damn, I've used "awesome" too much already. Just to name a few. -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. - Labster - 10-14-2016 "What's the Meaning of Stonehenge?" is supposed to be an odd song; it's by the Norwegian comedian Ylvis, who also came up with "What Does the Fox Say?" Think along the lines of an Steve Martin song on SNL. If I recall the setup for the video was along the lines of, "The network gave us a lot of money so we could break into the music industry, but instead we decided to waste our money on this." I don't think you really could have introduced asymmetric plot escalation into DW5 that much, because as soon as Doug and the Norns meet, they're both going to know 50% of each other's importance to the plot in less than 5 minutes. (And now I'm hearing Usagi yelling "asymmetric plot escalation!" at a monster.) There's really no way around that, so you have to do your best building a character arc for Megumi and/or making fun of Megumi instead. Harry Potter on the other hand has lots of groups all jostling around already, with the Ministry, the Death Eaters, and Draco's gang facing against the Potter gang, the teachers, and the Order. But if Doug can activate entirely other groups -- the Hufflepuffs, the wizard media, the "beasts"? That sounds like a great time. But don't knock the importance of accidental plot building. We wouldn't have Bob in Twin Peaks if one of the crew hadn't wandered into the shot. Or a lot of Twin Peaks, really. Quote:Hermione is... well, Hermione cubedThis sounds a lot like me getting three Hermiones to ship. -- ∇×V - robkelk - 10-14-2016 vorticity Wrote:One for Harry, one for Ron, and one for the self-insert?Quote:Hermione is... well, Hermione cubedThis sounds a lot like me getting three Hermiones to ship. (So many stories would head in that direction. Good thing Doug's happily married and doesn't want a girlfriend.) -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Bob Schroeck - 02-03-2017 Huh, just realized I never responded here... No, not three Hermiones. Just the one Hermione, who finds the Thaumatology lab in the Mansion, along with copies of Microsoft Spellmaker and Borland TurboRune, as well as the Whole Earth Grimoire. And who is well out of Larval Stage by the Ministry battle. -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. - Dartz - 02-04-2017 Microsoft Spellmaker?? Or what happens when the Borg assimilate the Necronomicon. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? - robkelk - 02-04-2017 Dartz Wrote:Microsoft Spellmaker??In Warriors' World, they know the difference between a spellchecker and a spelling checker. -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 - Bob Schroeck - 02-04-2017 Microsoft is better-behaved in Warriors World... the occasional electropath customer makes sure of that. -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. RE: - Proginoskes - 10-02-2017 (02-04-2017, 03:00 AM)robkelk Wrote:Dartz wrote: Wrote:Microsoft Spellmaker??In Warriors' World, they know the difference between a spellchecker and a spelling checker. I'm reminded of Diane Duane's Young Wizards series: Wizards that setting work in the fundamental Language of Creation, and when two or more are working together, it is expected that they check one another's spelling. RE: A quick glimpse into the writer's mind - ECSNorway - 12-04-2017 Something tells me Doug would get along well in the universe of Mahouka Koukou no Rettousai -- aka "The Irregular At Magic High School". Magic there has been recently subject to similar analysis, for comparison... if you take Potterverse magic as Assembly Language, and Magical Girl Lyrical Nanoha as a modern MacOS, MKNR is DOS with a BASIC interpreter and a C compiler. RE: A quick glimpse into the writer's mind - Bob Schroeck - 12-05-2017 I've seen a few episodes of that series -- been meaning to get back to it for a while, but Peg's been hogging the TV recently with endless romantic Christmas comedy movies on Netflix and Hulu. But yeah... RE: A quick glimpse into the writer's mind - classicdrogn - 11-13-2020 (12-04-2017, 06:39 PM)ECSNorway Wrote: Something tells me Doug would get along well in the universe of Mahouka Koukou no Rettousai -- aka "The Irregular At Magic High School" Rereading the thread after Bob linked it in a more recent one and googling this, I discovered that there's a second season (I think in progress, or at least all the fansubs for ep6 just came out a few days ago) now as well, for anyone that was interested. RE: A quick glimpse into the writer's mind - ckosacranoid - 11-14-2020 10-14-2016, 01:50 AM vorticity Wrote: Quote: Hermione is... well, Hermione cubed This sounds a lot like me getting three Hermiones to ship. Big Grin One for Harry, one for Ron, and one for the self-insert? (So many stories would head in that direction. Good thing Doug's happily married and doesn't want a girlfriend.) -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 Ok, something very different and super weird.... Would it be incest if she dated herself? one hell of a threeway though. ok...someone to get silly. RE: A quick glimpse into the writer's mind - Star Ranger4 - 11-15-2020 ... .... Sanity.sys corrupted or not found. (A)bort, (R)etry (S)ummon Cthulu? RE: A quick glimpse into the writer's mind - ECSNorway - 11-19-2020 (11-13-2020, 09:19 PM)classicdrogn Wrote:(12-04-2017, 06:39 PM)ECSNorway Wrote: Something tells me Doug would get along well in the universe of Mahouka Koukou no Rettousai -- aka "The Irregular At Magic High School" Yeah, Crunchyroll has it. I haven't watched it yet. RE: A quick glimpse into the writer's mind - Bob Schroeck - 11-20-2020 I really have to get back to it and start watching again. RE: A quick glimpse into the writer's mind - Bob Schroeck - 04-11-2022 (10-12-2016, 08:51 PM)Bob Schroeck Wrote: As I continue to work out the details of the Ministry Battle, I inevitably come up with new, cool things for Doug to do. And five and a half years later, I discover that someone -- Alistair Young, author of the Worm crossover Timeo Eldraeos et Dona Ferentes: Beware of Space Elves Bearing Gifts -- has named and quantified this principle by which I've designed so many plot turns and twists: Quote:[T]he First Commandment of Interventions. (Found here.) I'm going to have to add this to my writer's guide. RE: - robkelk - 11-28-2022 (10-14-2016, 12:42 AM)Labster Wrote: ... (And now I'm hearing Usagi yelling "asymmetric plot escalation!" at a monster.) ... Apropos of nothing, I might end up stealing this line for something else. And give it to a different Senshi. RE: A quick glimpse into the writer's mind - Bob Schroeck - 08-08-2024 And just accidentally coming back to this thread this morning, I realized I'd never explained that the idea of Stonehenge as a time machine came from this song: RE: A quick glimpse into the writer's mind - Dartz - 08-08-2024 Not the song about stonehenge I expected. |