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Star Trek (No spoilers in the first post, promise!) - Matrix Dragon - 05-07-2009
Just got out of the cinema... it was a good star trek movie. I have a few quibbles with the science, but they let Rule of Cool
apply in a way that doesn't hurt it. The new cast did brilliantly. There were a handful of little problems, but nothing too serious in my mind. Highly
recommended.
- WengFook - 05-07-2009
I think the new cast was brilliant, except for possibly Simon Pegg. He was really just playing himself
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Take Your Candle, Go Light Your World.
- robkelk - 05-08-2009
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/t ... =a-section]Here's a review...
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."
- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
- Foxboy - 05-08-2009
Snrf. Gotta love the Onion.
''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.''
-- James Nicoll
- Sweno - 05-09-2009
Having just come back from watching the movie I'm pleasantly surprised.
The onion was right. I'm not a trekie, and I enjoyed it. I am lead to understand (from my trekie friends) that this is a MASSIVE reboot of the series.
Changing LOTS of things (some things they didn't have to change). But never the less it was fun.
And hey, they even did the soundlessness of space once or twice (not all the time, but at least it was acknowledged).
-Terry
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"so listen up boy, or pornography starring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today"
TF2: Spy
- Star Ranger4 - 05-09-2009
I usually dont go see movies in the theatre because I have a very bad case of MST3k syndrome... I really cant help myself from riffing during the show.
That lasted until they got Kirk into the academy. by then they'd drawn me so tightly into the story I'd shut up.
Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky?
That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry-
NO QUARTER!!!
-- "No Quarter", by Echo's Children
- CrimsonKMR - 05-10-2009
I fully support the continuation of this series.
There is no coincidence, only necessity....
- Clow Reed
- Bluemage - 05-10-2009
The previews made it feel like a very typical/cliched action movie, just set in the Trek universe. Was I reading them wrong? Does the movie feel like it
deserves to be called Star Trek, regardless of what they changed from canon?
My Unitarian Jihad Name is: Brother Atom Bomb of Courteous Debate. Get yours.
I've been writing a bit.
- Wiregeek - 05-11-2009
oh very yes. This is a Star Trek movie in the great line of Search for Spock. This is Star Trek, italics and caps included.
WONDERFUL movie. the only minor niggles I had would be eliminated on a second viewing. I am VERY pleased.
The magic is back, folks! Let's hear it for five more series and another 11 movies.
"No can brain today. Want cheezeburger."
From NGE: Nobody Dies, by Gregg Landsman
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5579457/1/NGE_Nobody_Dies
- CrimsonKMR - 05-11-2009
Quote: Wiredgeek wrote:Maybe my dreams of a New Frontier series will come to pass
The magic is back, folks! Let's hear it for five more series and another 11 movies.
There is no coincidence, only necessity....
- Clow Reed
- Black Aeronaut - 05-11-2009
My Mother had this to say about it. What's fun is that she does so somewhat as her character from her "Trekkers Around and Over 40" group.
Quote: Its not like the Trek of old, where at least the idealism of Space, the final frontier was really something we, as a generation of SciFi junkies, really
believed in. It was the ultimate dream of anyone young at heart in the 60s to be able to board a rocket or star ship and go
where "no one has gone before.". It was a dream that knew no boundaries and it was something we cherished.
At least up til now.
Paramount & Braga are in it for the money. Gotta admit, so was Roddenberry, but I just quit seeing Star Trek as something I worship at the shrine of the
USS Fouryish. I only have chocolate, the Hubble, Tribble DNA research and anything your Dad is working on over at APL... his latest effort is going to take a
trip into a asteroid belt "near by" our planet. Now that, to me, is something really cool, to know that a board you worked on will be orbiting
Mars, or rocketing towards Alpha Centauri, or floating around an asteroid belt taking readings about what is out there.
Dude, sorry, but like its so 7 of 9 to me. And I ain't gonna see the movie, or new series. And Leonard Nimoy can Kiss My Asteroid Belt.
LL&P
Counselor Kathy
USS Fourtyish
Yeah, she's got a chip on her shoulder about Paramount and Braga. I'll be going to see it the first chance I get, but I don't think that'll be
for a while. Just one of the disadvantages of being permanently forward-deployed to Japan.
- Logan Darklighter - 05-13-2009
This isn't so much a "have you seen the new Star Trek movie?" message so much as it is a "if you haven't seen it, what are you WAITING
FOR? GO! Now!"
The movie is - in a word - AWESOME.
I haven't been outright MOVED by a Star Trek film since Wrath of Khan. This one shamelessly pushed - nay - PUNCHED, emotional buttons!
I don't want to spoil things for you. I WILL say that what you've heard is true, and that this is a reboot of the continuity. Interestingly enough,
they have rebooted it in such a way that the OLD continuity still exists. This new Star Trek exists in it's own alternate timeline that branches off of the
old continuity.
There is a huge amount of respect for the old material (particularly the original series) but they have upped the stakes in a BIG, MASSIVE way. I applaud that
decision at the same time as I am almost appalled by the lengths they went through to hammer the point home. By the midpoint of the movie, you know there is no
going back and that anything can happen now. and yes, it's time travel, but this time, things are NOT tied up neatly by the end. That's the POINT.
Things have CHANGED.
There is a fair amount of rubber science in this one. There's also an attempt at acknowledging real physics (twice in the movie, we are treated to the
soundlessness of space, for example.) But the first rule they follow in this movie is "the rule of cool". If it's cool and it works, HANG the
physics! Which is just fine with me. Old school Star Trek was always just a bit wonky in that regard, and if the new movie wants to do it that way too, then
great!
On some technical geekery:
The Enterprise and other ships like her are MUCH more nimble in this universe! Less of a "graceful, but slow turning aircraft carrier" and almost
more like.... I don't want to say the Enterprise is as nimble as a fighter, but if we're sticking to naval comparisons here, then she's more like a
fast destroyer.
The dichotomy and physical difference between the upper decks in the saucer section and the engineering and hanger spaces in the secondary hull could not be
more surprising! The upper decks in the saucer maintain the old antiseptic, almost clean room aspects that we are used to. But when you travel down the
turbolift and exit in the lower hull, all of a sudden it is a RIOT of exposed structural elements, pipes going every which way, caution tape marked on the
floors, caution strobes, junction boxes, color coded lines... In short, the engine and environmental plant areas of the Enterprise are places that ONLY make
sense to an engineer! If you've ever seen the engine spaces of a real aircraft carrier, this will definitely seem familiar to you! But it's a bit of a
shock at first. We're so used to seeing the Engine Rooms as "clean" but after I thought about it for a bit, it really does make more sense this
way. The old series had to use relatively small spaces and camera trickery to suggest a larger engine room. And the elements that make up that engine room had
to be reusable for other props as well. (Think about how many panels and props in the old Enterprise engine room were re-used for something else in the
series?)
The hanger deck continues the Functional Industrial look and is HUGE. It seems to take up at least half of the secondary hull! Which makes sense, as you find
out in the very first part of the movie (with a different Federation Ship), policy seems to be to keep as many shuttle craft on hand as needed to evacuate ALL
the crew! That's a LOT of shuttle craft!
In fact, from what I can tell, the ONLY things that are in the secondary hull are the Engine and environmental/life support plants and the hanger bay. With the
sensor and deflector areas taking up a small amount at the very front. So no - there's likely no "secondary bridge" in the secondary hull, folks.
A word on the overall lines of the Enterprise herself. You've probably seen the pictures, but here's my impression. I was at first unsure. The basic
pattern is there and familiar, but the placement of the engine pylons at the extreme rear of the secondary hull seemed a bit odd. But in a nod to the fact that
this is supposed to be the -original- ship, the pylons do go straight up to the Engine Nacelles without that "swept" back look that the first 6
movies had. (The Enterpise from those movies still remains my favorite version, by the way.) But after seeing this one move on screen, I stopped doubting. It
works just fine on the big screen. (This version of the Enterprise, I am tentatively saying is my *third* favorite, behind the original/movie edition and the
"Sovereign" Enterprise-E. It's still a beautiful ship, though, and it may grow on me more.)
On the characters - Chris Pine is NOT doing Shatner, but he IS Kirk. And what he does during the "Kobayashi Maru" sequence will have you giggling out
loud if you remember a certain sequence from the Genesis Cave from Wrath of Khan.
Quinto is amazing as Spock, even more so since he has to play opposite Nimoy in at least one scene, and the comparison is forced - and I must say, my eyes
flick from the young Spock to the Old Spock and I'm thinking "okay... yeah. Yes. That works." Well done Mr. Quinto!
Karl Urban as "Bones" McCoy... DAMN... Just... DAMN. It's EERIE. It's like they traveled back to the 60s and got Deforest Kelley in a
timewarp to bring him forward to play the part again! And like always, Bones STEALS every scene he's in. MORE McCoy! Please! (And we get a slightly
different take on why they call him "bones" here as well, which is also worth a giggle.)
Uhura - (can't remember the name of the actress right this moment) Very well played. Comes off as VERY competent. Very much a professional, and at the same
time... Ah... I am SO GLAD they have the miniskirts BACK. ^_^
(As in my signature below - My life has been made so much easier since I admitted to myself that I'm a pervert...
)Simon Pegg as Scotty. It's Peregrine Took in risers with an engineering degree and he's BRILLIANT. ^_^
The other cast members get moments to shine, but I just wanted to hit the main ones.
I'd say more about the Eric Bana's Nero, but I don't want to spoil things too much. Just to say - he did a good job with him and the motivation for
his villainy has a solid foundation.
The story has holes in it that if you want to nitpick you can. It's a case of "don't look at this too closely" but the film moves at such an
incredibly fast pace that over 2 hours later I'm going "What? That's ALL? I wanted MORE!"
And that CAN'T be a bad thing.
OH! And the music - THE MUSIC. I HAVE TO HAVE THAT SOUNDTRACK!!
This is as successful a reboot as you could possibly ask for.
I haven't been this jazzed about a Star Trek film since Wrath of Khan.
- Wiregeek - 05-13-2009
Trek '09 gets the Best Use of Beastie Boys In A Movie award.
"No can brain today. Want cheezeburger."
From NGE: Nobody Dies, by Gregg Landsman
http://www.fanfiction.net/s/5579457/1/NGE_Nobody_Dies
- Bob Schroeck - 05-13-2009
Quote:Uhuru - (can't remember the name of the actress right this moment)Uhura was played by Nichelle Nichols.
Peg and I have not yet seen the film, for obvious reasons. Hopefully we will by the end of the week.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
- Foxboy - 05-13-2009
I think they mean NEW!Uhura
''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat
them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.''
-- James Nicoll
- Logan Darklighter - 05-13-2009
er. Oops? Typo. Eheh. (and now fixed)
Anyway, yeah - understandable, Bob. Just when you get a chance to, do go see it. It's worth it.
- Shepherd - 05-13-2009
I saw it on Saturday. Although there were several instances of scientific absurdity and a few instances of needlessly complicated plans, the movie was
sufficiently fun that these weaknesses could be quietly heckled and then mostly ignored.
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"Anyone can be a winner if their definition of victory is flexible enough." - The DM of the Rings XXXV
- Matrix Dragon - 05-14-2009
... Dammit Logan, now I'm imagining a hobbit engineer at work... Made worse by the sound of Scotty's "GET DOWN FROM THERE!"
- Bob Schroeck - 05-14-2009
Quote:I think they mean NEW!UhuraOh. ( Duh.) Zoe Saldana. I think.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.
- Bluemage - 05-15-2009
Well, based on your recommendations, I went and saw it today. I just got back about 20 minutes ago, and I'm still raving about how good it was.
I couldn't agree more with how they handled the aesthetics of TOS-era Trek in the modern day. The bridge and upper-decks look just like a higher-tech,
higher-budget version of the original should, and the lower decks just make sense. You couldn't do that nearly so well with the Enterprise-D, but the
dirty, practical feel works wonders for my suspension of disbelief.
As far as visual effects goes... wow. Just. Wow. High HSQ here.
Sound was almost as good, and by 'almost', I mean 'does not punch you in the gut with sheer awesomeness until you like it, like the rest of the
movie'. It stops halfway through the final punch. Still amazing by most any measure, and playing on my PC right now.
The scriptwriting is another marvel. They gave every character signature traits from the original- Kirk still gets into his share of fistfights, Scotty and
Chekov have their accents, etc, etc- but then add/highlight more depth to how they act. Sarcastic!Spock works, and works well, and McCoy.... well.... yes, the
audience did order a scene-stealing ham, and it is tasty and good. Old!Spock was marvelously done, as well: really, everyone was, but he took the cake.
The pace was brilliant, with a mid-paced start, that ratchets into a high-speed ride to, almost uninterrupted, about 5-10 minutes before the end of the film.
There are occasional slowdowns along the way, but, like with Tengen Toppa Gurren-Lagann, the slowdowns are only there to give you someplace to land, so the
show can blow you away again. The comedy was well-placed, used effectively to control the mood, and satisfied the first virtue of any comedic attempt- it was
funny.
As for the science... who cares!
I am slightly worried about the continuity they've created, especially if they want to do any more media that goes with it. I was expecting them to hop to
how it all started, and do something about some of the world-shattering implications of the plot. In that sense, especially given that the technology to do
just that was just within their grasp, I was disappointed. The last scene was perfect, though.
This frustrated me as much as it did, because my response to the whole film can be summarized in one not-a-word:
Moar!!!
My Unitarian Jihad Name is: Brother Atom Bomb of Courteous Debate. Get yours.
I've been writing a bit.
- Black Aeronaut - 05-15-2009
Quote: Wiredgeek wrote:The hell? Okay, now I definitely have to see the movie, if anything, then for this alone.
Trek '09 gets the Best Use of Beastie Boys In A Movie award.
- Kokuten - 05-15-2009
Listen, Blackaeronaut, it's a SABOTAGE!!!Wire Geek - Burning the weak and trampling the dead since 1979
- firvulag - 05-15-2009
Blackaeronaut, you may also feel better knowing that neither Berman nor Braga have anything to do with this movie.
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"You attribute perfect rationality to the whole of humanity, which has
to be one of the most misguided assumptions ever."
- Alan Krueger in NANAE
- WengFook - 05-15-2009
Quote: Bluemage wrote:Could you please provide a link?
Well, based on your recommendations, I went and saw it today. I just got back about 20 minutes ago, and
Sound was almost as good, and by 'almost', I mean 'does not punch you in the gut with sheer awesomeness until you like it, like the rest of the
movie'. It stops halfway through the final punch. Still amazing by most any measure, and playing on my PC right now.
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Take Your Candle, Go Light Your World.
- Logan Darklighter - 05-15-2009
How about this?