META "Meat Factory 2nd draft"
Hopefully this will be closer to something people are happier with for Fenspace.
Long term, the tech of the Bioroid Moulds is still potentially as dangerous, but short term there are only a few hundred actually embodied Literati. It would probably take a significant project to make industrial-grade Moulds that would run indefinitely, with only occasional repair.
The existing set of six are probably only good for a few more tens of uses, and that would involve scavenging them for parts to get maybe only two that would limp that far. They need a major over-haul and refurbish.
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Ace Dreamer Wrote:META "Library Membership"
Was this the sort of thing you had in mind, Mr Kelk? [grin]
I'm not sure what I had in mind... but I like this.
(Oh, and call me Rob. "Mr. Kelk" is my father.)
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Ace Dreamer Wrote:Meat Factory 2nd draft If it produced only a few hundred people I think its okay... but I don't think any group of Fen would consider this a good idea to increase their numbers further, so I would vote for stopping at this number.
Ace Dreamer Wrote:See: http://www.daviddarling.info/encycloped ... probe.html
You are using macro tech and some handwaved gadgets to bootstrap your way up, instead of full-blown molecular nanotech.
Personally, I'd like a team of human or equivalent engineers there to supervise.
But, with a bit of luck to stop anything too disastrous happening, and enough foresight on the part of the terraforming kit designer...
Do-able. Slow, but doable. I don't think Fenspace can do this, even in 2020. Especially not with "low quirked" and reproducible tech.
Part of the idea is that bootstrapping up the asteroid as somewhere to live lets you use the 'life support' exception on handwavium.
I think the personalities of the AIs who built and maintain the place count as a pretty major quirk - it might stop working if you tried to replace them with saner ones.
BTW: did you spot they are an avatar of the Triple Goddess, Maiden/Hunter, Mother/Teacher, Crone/Wise Woman? [grin]
(I only spotted/worked that out, quite a while after the first story was written...)
You could reasonably say that there is a unique set of handwavium devices involved in this bootstrap process. And, it isn't repeatable, without some really major research and reverse engineering, no matter what the creator of the "Standard Asteroid Terraforming Kit" might like to think.
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One wonders how well these Three get along with the Three on the Fateful Lightning... Perhaps we should retcon them into taking part in the Alexandria Archive, at least peripherally.
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robkelk Wrote:One wonders how well these Three get along with the Three on the Fateful Lightning... Perhaps we should retcon them into taking part in the Alexandria Archive, at least peripherally. it wouldn't be three... it would be three times number of asteroids.
robkelk Wrote:One wonders how well these Three get along with the Three on the Fateful Lightning... Perhaps we should retcon them into taking part in the Alexandria Archive, at least peripherally. You could...
If they are avatars of the Three, it is rather small ones. If you want an alternative explanation of the AIs, you could say that they are immature rather than fixed at below human intellect, except in their specialist areas. Given the right stimulus they can grow. This is likely a mixture of being under pressure, dealing with difficult issues, and contact with other intellects.
I'm reasonably sure Library Alpha would be happy to host a backup image of the Alexandria Archive. Now, if someone could include a sufficiently secure FTL communications node there then the AIs might start developing larger selves.
I'm sure Literacy would love to do some hands-on literacy teaching elsewhere, and Membership could talk up the benefits of library membership to just about anyone. Librarian, she'd like a better library to play with, solid hologram copies of everything that's ever been in print would be a good start - that'd stop library members walking off with HER books, or damaging them. She doesn't object to library users, more people with knowledge and wisdom from books is a good, but she wished they'd got a little more respect. And be less inconvenient.
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HRogge Wrote:robkelk Wrote:One wonders how well these Three get along with the Three on the Fateful Lightning... Perhaps we should retcon them into taking part in the Alexandria Archive, at least peripherally.
it wouldn't be three... it would be three times number of asteroids. Every set of three AIs is different; the story Meat Factory is about the set who are Library Alpha.
(Knowledgable people might wonder about a connection to The Computer, in the game Paranoia's Alpha Complex, which doesn't always agree with itself - I really couldn't comment. [grin])
A three who are someone's Maid, Cook-Housekeeper and Clerk would be totally different, for example.
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Ace Dreamer Wrote:I'm sure Literacy would love to do some hands-on literacy teaching elsewhere, and Membership could talk up the benefits of library membership to just about anyone. Librarian, she'd like a better library to play with, solid hologram copies of everything that's ever been in print would be a good start - that'd stop library members walking off with HER books, or damaging them. She doesn't object to library users, more people with knowledge and wisdom from books is a good, but she wished they'd got a little more respect. And be less inconvenient. Some of that will take tech that doesn't exist in 2012... http://drunkardswalkforums.yuku.com/sre ... the-charm-]But there are workarounds.
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robkelk Wrote:Ace Dreamer Wrote:I'm sure Literacy would love to do some hands-on literacy teaching elsewhere, and Membership could talk up the benefits of library membership to just about anyone. Librarian, she'd like a better library to play with, solid hologram copies of everything that's ever been in print would be a good start - that'd stop library members walking off with HER books, or damaging them. She doesn't object to library users, more people with knowledge and wisdom from books is a good, but she wished they'd got a little more respect. And be less inconvenient.
Some of that will take tech that doesn't exist in 2012... But there are workarounds. I'm not saying she'll get it, I'm not saying she should get it, but she'd definitely like it! [grin]
Oh, and she'll take the mobile bookcase, as well. [grin]
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