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Re: FINALLY
So was everyone else who checked animesuki before looking here, I bet. '.'
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Anyway, I disagree. I think Nanoha did mess up, but that the blast was an important part in shocking through it.
I guess we'll have to disagree then, because I don't think it helped at all.
Luckily, this is the internet, so we're allowed to disagree! '.'
In any case, the idea that Nanoha probably didn't realize what the real problem was fits well enough for this not to keep me awake at night, and use my mental bandwidth for more important things. Like imagining Nanoha and Vita making out."^H"*42
Moving on, a couple of random observations from someone who's now up to episode 18 or so...
-For the person who's supposed to be in charge and all, Hayate isn't getting a whole lot of screen time, is she?
-Assuming that IS abilities are selected when a combat cyborg is made (not sure if that's a valid assumption or not), I wonder if the purpose behind Subaru's design might have been to have a superior force for hunting down other cyborgs that went rogue? (If so, it might end up going down in history as one of the great "maybe that wasn't such a good idea after all" decisions...)
-Morgan.
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Re: FINALLY
Season Four? We can hope.
Signum? Is so cool.
Hm. Definitely a worthy finale, tho I don't quite get why Section Six was broken up.
Worried!Fate is too, too cute.
Awwwww... Rein and Agito are flirting!. As, I think, are Lu and Caro-and-Erio (singular entity - they're a given, no?).
Disaster relief is about as perfect a position for Subaru as you could possibly hope for.
Poor Vivio. ^_^

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Re: FINALLY
*grin*
I think it's because Section Six was formed specifically in response to the pattern of events of Scaglietti's early build-up -- if you read the comics, they've encountered those Gadget drones before, and there were hints of something serious going on back then.
Why a mission team formed for a specific investigation would be assigned raw recruits to train, I don't know; perhaps it's because they felt they needed more mages, couldn't get access to more than they already had (they -are- aces, after all), and Nanoha had those connections with the training academy... *shrug*.
All in all, cool, although I think there are a bunch of loose ends left over that will make Season 4... /interesting/.--
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Section six
The reason for having recruits in section six, and the reason it was broken up after the incident would seem to have to do with the difference between why it was really formed (To have a high class striker unit in Ground Forces jurisdiction to deal with the scarletti incident), and why it was formed on paper (To have a slightly higher power fast response team around to back up ground forces in 'special conditions'.)
The former is a strike force, and you staff a strike force with your 'aces', but such a thing doesn't last very long.
The latter is supposedly a new continuing unit, and a continuing unit trains new members, rather than headhunting other unit's Aces.
Hayate very much did head hunt her own friends as 'hidden' Aces, but to make it look good on paper, she had to create a unit. Quite possibly that unit will continue, using a lot of the organization and methods she pioneered, but keeping the high octane aces she'd gathered together on planet when there is no incident to chase would be a waste of their talents.
The forwards all graduated and received promotions out of force. This is largely because this group of forwards, for all that they were 'raw recruits', were hand picked by Nanoha, Hayate and Fate to be their 'recruits' while trying to deal with Scarletti.
Knowing those three, they didn't scrape the bottom of the barrel for people to throw into such a dangerous situation - they took off the top. The highest potential recruits they could slip under the radar, who then received a lot of extra personal attention, and by the end of the season, they are, as Nanoha says, seasoned Aces.
Or at least, so it seems to me.
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-For the person who's supposed to be in charge and all, Hayate isn't getting a whole lot of screen time, is she?
That's cause it's believed it was more fun to watch the explosions that various Aces cause rather than the mastermind who set it up. Wink
Also, gamlain's explanation seems remarkably complete and on the spot.
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So was everyone else who checked animesuki before looking here, I bet. '.'






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Anyway, I disagree. I think Nanoha did mess up, but that the blast was an important part in shocking through it.





I guess we'll have to disagree then, because I don't think it helped at all.




Luckily, this is the internet, so we're allowed to disagree! '.'




In any case, the idea that Nanoha probably didn't realize what the real problem was fits well enough for this not to keep me awake at night, and use my
mental bandwidth for more important things. Like imagining Nanoha and Vita making
out."^H"*42




-Morgan.



Necroposting, in a way, but given this is one of my all time favorite sequences in terms of breaking the usual expectations, I've given it a lot of
thought and I figured I'd toss in my own theory.
1. It isn't so much the Training Incident as the post-post talk that gets Tea to come around. This
is important.

2. One of the principal things that Nanoha mentions is that her "training method was too plain" or something similar, implying that the fault
wasn't entirely on Tea but Nanoha's methods as a teacher as well.

3. Nanoha spends at least a few seconds asking if everything she'd tried to teach them was worthless when she's dual-disarming the two, and her tone of
voice and expression don't strike me as just disappointed, but also hurt. She likes these kids, and then Tea goes
and ignores everything she's tried to tell her and does this crazy stunt.

4. Nanoha's "cool your head" moment happens after it becomes apparent that Tea's not going to be talked down.

5. Signum's "spoiled brat" punch is, as mentioned earlier, at least partially because she doesn't know the whole story, and partially
Signum's personality. She's a direct person and her loyalty to Hayate(and presumably, Hayate's close friends) is ironclad. She also doesn't
really seem to change directions once she sets herself, as seen in A's where Fate's trying desperately to talk her out of this course of action, while
Signum seems resigned to the path she's chosen.
Thus, here's the situation as I understand it:

Tea's principal self-confidence problems are the result of being the only "normal" on a team full of extraordinary people. Nanoha, Fate, and
Hayate are all prodigies. Subaru's a combat cyborg. Erio's an artificial human. The Wolkenritter are veteran warriors with centuries of experience.
Even little Caro summons freaking dragons. The thing is, Tea isn't that normal(her illusion casting is distinctly said to be a rare talent), but her
self-confidence probably downplays that. Also, her primary skill(her tactical insight) isn't something that's apparent in early training, unless
you're a veteran like Nanoha who spotted it earlier on. All these self-confidence problems stem from her brother's death and the resultant commentary
on his overall worth, which thus reflected on Tea's training under him and made the problems deeply rooted and personal, and much less likely to come up
even to her close friends(I imagine Subaru knew, though).

However, in an effort to prove to Nanoha(or maybe just herself) that she can keep up with all these specials, Tea pulls out all the stops to develop a way to
do the impossible: bring Nanoha down in the mock combats. Subaru's in on it because they're the NanoFate of the next generation and because in her
perspective, seeing Tea doing something is probably better than her lying about, unwilling to even try. She's so busy helping her friend that she
doesn't realize that Tea's methods aren't exactly fitting in with the training.

Thus we come to the Training Incident. Now, I'm in the camp that goes with "Nanoha screwed up", here. Which really isn't as bad as it sounds.
Tea's clearly emotionally invested in this plan beyond the brink of health, and while there were probably methods to keep her safe(magical nets or
something), her plan is most definitely suicidal in a combat situation. Nanoha sees one of her students apparently ignoring everything she said about how no
objective is worth her life, who seems to just listen to her and ignore her, and she's probably hurt. She
liked these kids, tried her best to train them, and Tea's gone and done this crazy thing. One of Nanoha's
principal flaws that she and her friends repeatedly note is that she "tends to overdo it". Her methods in S1 and A's were simply "if you
don't want to talk this out, I'm going to sit you down by force and make you do it". Thus a hurt Nanoha also in the role of a teacher whose
students have just done something stupidly crazy(and in Tea's case, gotten Subaru, a perfectly fine young woman who was listening to the lessons, as an
accomplice) has to deal with Tea, who's in the middle of an Asuka-lite-esque breakdown and obviously becoming a danger to anyone around who's not
Nanoha, and to herself as well. And so Nanoha overdoes it. She blasts Tea unconcious because it's the most direct path to ending this confrontation, but
probably not the best idea, in the end. But an emotional response from someone with a lot of magical power that she's been used to since a young age.

Signum's punch is detailed above. She knows Nanoha's side(probably being involved in the training curriculum despite her comments), but not Tea's,
and sees a young student that's not only accepting their punishment, but seems to think it's her teacher's fault. Thus, she punches Tea out because
from her more direct personality's perspective, humoring such an absurd notion is only going to make it worse.

Finally, you have their little talk at the end. Tea's insecurities are now known to Nanoha, who has a startlingly adept skill with empathizing with others
from a young age. Having all the info, she notes that, for someone feeling too normal, the basics they drilled in every day probably felt confining to Tea. As
if, because she was normal, they had to hold everyone back to the basics until Tea got them right. Cross Mirage's second form is revealed, showing that the
curriculum did intend for them to advance, and in fact was going to soon, but that Nanoha had probably expected them
all to realize that they were going slowly but surely, something Tea's insecurities and hang ups wouldn't be conducive to.

Thus, blame all around, but understanding in the end, after a big beat down. Traditional Nanoha, right there.

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It's delayed reaction time!

1 - Sounds like you're agreeing with me here. '.'

2 - Yeah. I don't remember if it's something I've mentioned, or seen someone else mentioned, or hasn't been mentioned at all, but it seems like part of the problem was that most of what they were doing wasn't really explained, they were just doing it. It wasn't always clear what things were supposed to accomplish or lead to. Need course syllabus!

Giving them the lecture on the importance of getting enough sleep earlier would probably also have been a good idea...

3 - Actually seems quite odd when juxtaposed with 2. '.'

4 - I think a big part of my problem with this approach is that she's obviously not in her right mind at the moment. Really, according to some translated material or other I read, the attack Tea starts there is a *sniper* attack. Not something a person who's thinking clearly would even consider using up close except under highly unusual circumstances.

Well, that and Nanoha's face reminds me of Mean Nanoha. >.>

Anyway, I think letting her wear herself out or having something distract her would have worked better. '.'

5 - At this distance from originally watching the episodes, don't have much to say about this... Though I'm not sure I ever had much opinion of it other than "That... really didn't help."

Quote:Subaru's a combat cyborg. Erio's an artificial human.

Were those two things known at that point?

Quote:her plan is most definitely suicidal in a combat situation

And here's the part where I disagree a lot. I was fairly impressed with her plan. Only at the end was Nanoha sure exactly what was going on. That's *fantastic*. Also, unless it's energy expenditure is through the roof, I have to consider Tea's energy blade trick to be superior to the second form that appears later. (In fact, I'm so impressed by certain aspects of this, one of my characters is getting an ability based on something she does. Well, if that story ever reaches the appropriate point in the timeline. '.' )

And alas, Tea never tries it again. Bleh. You'd think someone would notice the value of an offensive variant of Barrier Burst.

(What I do continue to wonder about is the earlier part where Nanoha says that Subaru is attacking recklessly... because it looks like she's doing the same thing she does in every fight in the entire series...)

And once Nanoha got a better idea what was going on, she handled it very well... I just feel like things could have gone more smoothly for all concerned.

Quote:It's probably a bad thing I know exactly where this quote came from, isn't it? XD

Well, I don't think it's a bad thing, says the person who also makes CoH characters that are h-game references. '.'

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Were those two things known at that point?
Erio's origins aren't specifically spelled out, but he does mention he was raised inside the TSAB's custody, which the reactions
others give suggest isn't at all normal. And yeah, Tea's lack of surprise after Ginga's kidnapped and Subaru busts herself up but good suggests the
only person not in on the secret was the audience(as does the quote "I can keep this up for five days without sleep" or some paraphrase thereof).

And yeah, it was badly handled all around. Which, surprisingly, is why I like it so much. It gave us a chance to see Nanoha screw up in a situation that
wasn't life or death, and she does figure it out and apologize for screwing up later. Imperfect heroine FTW.
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"Oh, silver blade, forged in the depths of the beyond. Heed my summons and purge those who stand in my way. Lay
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