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New Avengers Clip
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Aw, you got my hopes up!
I still love this entire sequence so much though. 
Am I showing my age when I say this is what I think of as "New Avengers"?
-- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012  Quote:robkelk wrote:I, as well. But then, it's long been established that I'm one of the oldest fogies people on this forum.... ----- Big Brother is watching you. And damn, you are so bloody BORING. 
Heh.
In the reboot of the Justice League of America comic after the Crisis on the infinite Earths (Let me date myself by saying that I stopped collecting comics before any later Crisis storyline), at the end of their first story arc, the group is discussing what they'll call themselves. Now all these years later I forget who said what, but someone suggests "The Avengers". And someone else says, "No, no, we'll get confused with those other guys." "What other guys?" "You know, John Steed and Emma Peel." -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. Quote:Bob Schroeck wrote:Yeah, now I remember hearing about that. Incidentally, isn't Captain America supposed to be one of the few who is worthy to lift the hammer? I distinctly recall one comic issue from twenty years or so back when he and Thor were set upon by overwhelming numbers, Thor was separated from Mjolnir, and Cap picked it up, swung it just enough to clear away a bunch of his attackers, and then tossed it back to Thor. "Hammer express coming your way!" or something like that. If my memory isn't playing tricks on me, Thor had been having doubts about Cap for a little while before that incident -- it was in one of those periods when he'd given up the title Captain America -- and his being able to lift Mjolnir dispelled them. ----- Big Brother is watching you. And damn, you are so bloody BORING.  Quote:DHBirr wrote:Yes, which is why Thor gives that very brief "Holy Shit!" look during the scene, when Steve moves the hammer. I think that Cap using the hammer might be a later scene in the film. (My recollection of the scene in the comics is that Cap could wield Mjolnir, but not very well.)Quote:Bob Schroeck wrote:Yeah, now I remember hearing about that. As an added bonus, I got two promos for the price of one, as the YouTube sponsor was the preview for the new "Hitman" movie. I think I prefer Timothy Olyphant to this new guy, but the new film has both Zachary Quinto and Mandy Patinkin, so it should be entertaining. Ebony the Black Dragon http://ebony14.livejournal.com "Good night, and may the Good Lord take a Viking to you."
I remember in one of the DC-Marvel crossovers from a decade or so ago, Wonder Woman was able to lift the hammer (with two hands, while flat on the ground) and hand it up to Thor -- which shocked him.
-- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. 
All this talk of Thor has me remembering a short piece by Royce Day, House Call, which calls back to the earliest of the Marvel Thor comics...
----- Will the transhumanist future have catgirls? Does Japan still exist? Well, there is your answer.
One thing I have been wondering since I saw the first trailer for this movie is whether an explanation will be given for Steve having his shield back since he let go of it during his fight with the Winter Soldier in that movie and it would have fallen into the Potomac river (like Steve himself did a little while later.) I know that there is a wiki page that states that the shield appears in the later hospital scene, but that doesn't say how it was recovered. I suppose that this might be considered too fiddly or minor though.
Given that Vibranium is one of the most precious elements in the Marvel-verse... I'd feel safe in saying that recovering Cap's shield was an item of reasonably high priority.
Quote:Kilroy wrote:Let's put it this way... You're an average American citizen, hanging out in the greater DC area, and you see something colorful drifting along in the Potomac or washed up on the shore. Upon further investigation, you see that it's an iconic piece of American history, one that your grandparents might have told you about or that you saw in your high school history books, and one you definitely saw in the news coverage of the Battle of New York. And it's just floating there. Maybe it's a prop or relics, but maybe not, and even if it is, it's gotta be worth something. So you grab it. Maybe you take it to the cops. Maybe Tony Stark posts a reward (it'd be a thing he'd do). Maybe you're a good person and you try to take it to Walter Reed, and the Secret Service, or Homeland Security, or the FBI thank you for your service to the country and you get invited to meet the President and Captain America somewhere down the line and get a citation for doing your civic duty. Or maybe you're one of those mercenary types who tries to sell it on eBay, and you either get a fast sale to an anonymous buyer (that'd be the NSA or HSA, paying out of their operational budget for a National Treasure) or a visit from a few polite MIBs who advise you that it would be best if you hand the shield over and advise you to keep quiet about it, and maybe they pay you for your time. And if you hide it away, then it's likely that the trackers that SHIELD put in the thing to keep track of Cap (because they trust the guy, but they're not STUPID, especially with HYDRA in the mix) will result in a less polite group of MIBs showing up, and if you're lucky, it'll just look like a burglary, and not a robbery-homicide. The point is, it's like the Liberty Bell getting misplaced. Someone's going to find it, and unless there's outright larceny going on, it'll get back in the hands of the right people fairly quickly. Ebony the Black Dragon http://ebony14.livejournal.com "Good night, and may the Good Lord take a Viking to you." Quote:Ebony wrote:While in general I agree with your premise, I have to point out that the shield is metal, and therefore is more likely to have sunk to the bottom of the Potomac rather than floating. As Black Aeronaut pointed out, however, there'd almost certainly be a major effort to find it. It wouldn't much surprise me if SHIELD put a tracer on it as you suggested -- but (devil's advocate here), based just on the Winter Soldier trailer, Cap was given reason at about that time to not particularly trust SHIELD, so he might've found and removed the tracer....Quote:Let's put it this way... You're an average American citizen, hanging out in the greater DC area, and you see something colorful drifting along in the Potomac or washed up on the shore. Upon further investigation, you see that it's an iconic piece of American history, one that your grandparents might have told you about or that you saw in your high school history books, and one you definitely saw in the news coverage of the Battle of New York. And it's just floating there. Maybe it's a prop or relics, but maybe not, and even if it is, it's gotta be worth something. So you grab it. ----- Big Brother is watching you. And damn, you are so bloody BORING. Quote:DHBirr wrote:Assuming he knew about it, but that's neither here nor there. If it sank (a viable option, but given the shape of the shield, it could conceivably hit the water at a tumble or flat and not edge on, in which case it could float), I think that the thought processes of his rescuers would be: "Hey, it's Captain America! Where's his shield? Shit, I bet it's in the river. Get the divers!" The shield's a national treasure; the government would try to find it. Especially given that they'd be searching the river for other survivors of the helicarrier crash.Quote:Ebony wrote:While in general I agree with your premise, I have to point out that the shield is metal, and therefore is more likely to have sunk to the bottom of the Potomac rather than floating. As Black Aeronaut pointed out, however, there'd almost certainly be a major effort to find it. It wouldn't much surprise me if SHIELD put a tracer on it as you suggested -- but (devil's advocate here), based just on the Winter Soldier trailer, Cap was given reason at about that time to not particularly trust SHIELD, so he might've found and removed the tracer....Quote:Let's put it this way... You're an average American citizen, hanging out in the greater DC area, and you see something colorful drifting along in the Potomac or washed up on the shore. Upon further investigation, you see that it's an iconic piece of American history, one that your grandparents might have told you about or that you saw in your high school history books, and one you definitely saw in the news coverage of the Battle of New York. And it's just floating there. Maybe it's a prop or relics, but maybe not, and even if it is, it's gotta be worth something. So you grab it. Ebony the Black Dragon http://ebony14.livejournal.com "Good night, and may the Good Lord take a Viking to you."
Also, it's Vibranium, which appears to have amusing kinetic energy and vibrational properties..at the bottom of a river, which is moving water. The correct sonar equipment would probably find it right quick. Well, for values of right quick that involve a couple of days, given all the /other/ junk in the river, but still.
Heh. Sonar goes, *PING!* Cap's Shield replies, *BWOOOOOOONNNNNNNNNGG!*
Sonar Tech: *pinned to the overhead* "I think we found it." Quote:Black Aeronaut wrote:At the center of that school of stunned fish, with howling dogs on either riverbank. (I was thinking metal detectors personally, but sonar might work.) Though, really, I see Iron Man testing out his new underwater adaptions to his armor (I.e., showing off for the media), and pulling the shield out just as the divers get it located and are about to go in after it. Because Tony's a dick. Ebony the Black Dragon http://ebony14.livejournal.com "Good night, and may the Good Lord take a Viking to you."
LOL! Maybe somone could mention a new company that did the Potomac clean-up: Damage Control.
Reminds me of an old Marvel game I ran a while back. It was a DC/Marvel crossover which also had Fullmetal Alchemist crossed into it. (At one point, Magneto learned about the Alchemist's reality, found one of the wormholes, crossed over, and learned how it worked. Then he tried to use his magnetism to create the alchemical symbol which turns cities into Philosopher's Stone, but using the planet's magnetic field. If he'd succeeded, he'd have turned about a hemisphere's worth of people into a giant red rock. After the PC's and Edward Elric had an epic showdown with Magneto (and presumably destroyed him,) they returned to the Titans Tower to continue being supers, with Elric in tow.)
One of the PC's, playing a really good version of Elric, saw all the damage the Titans caused in their battles. (They had a fixation on a giant robot PC-Cyborg created, called the "T-Bot," which they just *had* to use during a prison break...) He joined Damage Control in order to use his alchemical power to repair damage the Titans caused after they left the battle zone. He made a fair amount of money on it, too. Of course, he wound up spending a LOT of it on Blackfire, who he was trying to redeem at one point... --- Those who fear the darkness have never seen what the light can do. 
actually, there was a linked video that mentioned 21 people who could, in fact, at least lift Thor's hammer. and yes Captain America was on that list as one of the ones who was worthy. Interestingly enough Rogue and Hulk are also on the list under the bulk strength category. Black widow under the worthyies, and Magento as basicly a 'cheater', as there are apparently a few who can do it via manipulations of gravity/magetism.
interestingly, while Wonder WOman is listed as a worthy, superman is also on that list as simply pure strength; which kind of surprises me as I think of him as... well, an overgrown boyscout Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky? That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry- NO QUARTER!!! -- "No Quarter", by Echo's Children
Actually, in the core Marvel Universe at least, Strength has nothing to do with it, only being deemed worthy. There are a handful of exceptions to this, usually being either 'what if' stories or a different universe and thus different rules. The Rogue example, for instance, was from a 'what if' where she ended up absorbing Thors mind and powers completely, ending up as the new Goddess of Thunder. The Magneto instance was in Ultimatium, part of the Ultimate Universe, where the writer simply ignored the established rules of the canon to make Mageto seem more badass. It was the least of the writers crimes in that piece of crap. The same writer was the one that let Red Hulk use the hammer once, trying to explain it as 'they were in space, so Mjolnir didn't know which way down was'. That was during a storyline where Red Hulk was so amazing he beat up the SIlver Surfer and nearly killed Galactus because his name was Marty Stu. That was declared non-canon FAST.
Cap and Superman being worthy of the hammer is canon, as is perhaps the best case. After a fight, Thor sat down to catch his breath, and a paramedic on the scene spotted Mjnolnir lying nearby, and picked it up and returned it. Thor took it, blinked, double-taked, but before he even saw the guys face, he'd vanished back into the crowd to work 
Oh, I like that one. It must have happened after I stopped reading/collecting, because I never heard of it before now.
My particular favorite for many years was Beta Ray Bill, simply because it was well-executed: set up an obvious monster bad guy, and then surprise the hell out of everyone. -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. |
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