Montini: The feds lost – yes, lost – 1,475 migrant children

[SilverFang01]

https://www.azcentral.com/story/opinion/...631627002/

A documentary from the PBS program "Frontline" said that the federal government has actually released some of the minors to human traffickers.

Imagine that.

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2018/04/26/us...yXGG6iWSmK

http://tucson.com/news/local/parents-chi...f2bd8.html

I am so angry right now that I won't make any other comments on this for a few days.

[Labster]

After Trump's declaration that immigrants are animals, perhaps they were sent to the SPCA to be euthanized?

[Rajvik]

Labster, why dont you find the actual full footage instead of that damnable CNN hack job. MS13 are the animals, it is clear that is what he said, stop paying attention to (or at least acknowledge the bias of) those political hacks pretending to be journalists

[Matrix Dragon]

YOU INCOMPETENT FUCKSTAINS!

[Rajvik]

I should probably be adding this to my post earlier, but fuck it, this will make it easier for you guys to make it clear which you are screaming at me for.

From last October to the end of the year, officials at the agency’s Office of Refugee Resettlement tried to reach 7,635 children and their sponsors, Mr. Wagner testified. From these calls, officials learned that 6,075 children remained with their sponsors. Twenty-eight had run away, five had been removed from the United States and 52 had relocated to live with a nonsponsor.

Note that this is the administration of the person you all scream about being an uncaring bastard, not the administration of the actual bastard that lost them. Namely Obama's.

[Matrix Dragon]

I'm screaming about the agency, and the sheer incompetence and lack of fucking decency the people working there show when they 'lose' nearly 1500 children. I don't give the slightest damn about which administration was involved, I want the assholes responsible to face the consequences. I get the feeling bureaucratic inertia has more than a few of them still working there, if nothing else.

[Rajvik]

Actually Matrix, that wasn't directed towards you. I agree no matter who's administration is responsible someone's heads should roll.

[Matrix Dragon]

Actually Matrix, that wasn't directed towards you. I agree no matter who's administration is responsible someone's heads should roll.

Yeah, well given my post immediately before yours was essentially a scream of utter rage, I felt I should clarify

[Labster]

Yeah, immigration sucked in the Obama era, too. I blame all sides for that. I was lobbying for overdue immigration reform in D.C. in 2008. It's 2018 and everyone has done jack shit since then. Obama did DACA in that period, as perhaps the least worst option. But the immigration "courts" have been a total miscarriage of justice for a quite a while, and Obama did nothing.

Labster, why dont you find the actual full footage instead of that damnable CNN hack job. MS13 are the animals, it is clear that is what he said, stop paying attention to (or at least acknowledge the bias of) those political hacks pretending to be journalists

You write this as if it somehow justifies Trump's words. It does not. What he said is evil, deplorable, and blasphemous to God. It is an affront to the principles of republican governance, and equality under law. If he had said it in haste or anger, it would be one thing, but to go out and reiterate the dehumanizing words shows that Trump is a truly flawed person. This one statement alone is enough to disqualify him from any elected office, and may God have mercy on his soul.

[robkelk]

Labster, why dont you find the actual full footage instead of that damnable CNN hack job. MS13 are the animals, it is clear that is what he said, stop paying attention to (or at least acknowledge the bias of)  those political hacks pretending to be journalists

Link, please?

If you're going to tell somebody to go watch something, the least you can do is tell everyone where to find the footage.

[Rajvik]

Be careful what you ask for. Link to the speech where the comment occurred is here.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Utjyue2NUhQ

Link to a panel where he explains the hub pub is here about six minutes in
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=E9WNnkOxk_c&t=381s

[SilverFang01]

The context:

President Trump said his description of some immigrants as ‘animals’ referred to MS-13 members. But his remarks came during a discussion on how to prosecute immigrants in sanctuary cities, which don’t protect gang members who committed horrific crimes.

Yes, during the video he referred to MS-13, that still doesn't change the fact that what the people he intended the message to go to heard was 'Mexican' which is the shorthand used in the US for latinos. It was intended as a blood libel.

Donald Trump is a misogynist racist man-child who sees himself as a "Tony Soprano" but one thing I give him is that he understands human psychology enough to know how to manipulate people, and send the exact message he wants his people to hear.

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From here: http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/201...olicy.html

The child-separation policy was implemented by Trump’s own attorney general, Jeff Sessions, who said, when he announced it, that “If you’re smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated from you as required by law.”

Blaming others for his own messes is his S.O.P. But he has previously expressed the view that this cruelty is his preferred way, so he owns this.

[SilverFang01]

And yes, Obama has his share of the blame and responsibility as does Bush the Second who created ICE in the first place, and Roosevelt with the Japanese internment camps.

It's time to acknowledge that the US has a problem, and to demand that we be and do better.

[Matrix Dragon]

It's time to acknowledge that the US has a problem, and to demand that we be and do better.

I know that feeling all too well. Immigration, illegal and otherwise, has been an ongoing loud headache down here as well for decades, and between the failure to do anything about it for so lone, and the familiarity of the debate, and certain assholes involved in the debate, it's become an issue that seems unwilling to be fixed. But it's an issue that must always be inspected, considered and discussed. Which reminds me that it's about time to consider emailing a few politicians down here again...

[robkelk]

...
It's time to acknowledge that the US has a problem, and to demand that we be and do better.

If history is any indication, this won't happen any time soon. The USA usually gets its social trends one to two decades after Canada, and we've just started our Truth and Reconciliation process a couple of years ago regarding mistreatment of non-white youth.

Maybe this will be an exception, the way the Civil Rights movement was - but only if people push for it.

[Rajvik]

Yes, during the video he referred to MS-13, that still doesn't change the fact that what the people he intended the message to go to heard was 'Mexican' which is the shorthand used in the US for latinos. It was intended as a blood libel.

sorry Silverfang01, all i hear in this statement is "someone argued a point and was right but i don't want to lose so I'll claim dog-whistle to justify my stance.

Matrix, Ever since we relaxed the imigration rules (cant remember if it was the 50's or 60's) there has been an issue. Silverfang, you want something to go ga ga over, go look up what you had to do to immigrate here in the 30's. after you do that, watch the following video, note what the Lebanese immigrant mayor has to say about securing the border and he immigrated here 30 years ago.

https://youtu.be/VMsiYUjta-s
mayor is about 8 minutes

But, you know what, i'm not going to change your made up mind, so i think its time i take a time out from the political forums for a while

[Norgarth]

I know that feeling all too well. Immigration, illegal and otherwise, has been an ongoing loud headache down here as well for decades, and between the failure to do anything about it for so lone, and the familiarity of the debate, and certain assholes involved in the debate, it's become an issue that seems unwilling to be fixed. But it's an issue that must always be inspected, considered and discussed. Which reminds me that it's about time to consider emailing a few politicians down here again...

"Illegal aliens have always been a problem in the United States. Ask any Indian." - Robert Orben

[robkelk]

...
Which reminds me that it's about time to consider emailing a few politicians down here again...

Email is easy, and often ignored. They pay more attention to individual hand-written letters sent through the Post Office, because they aren't as easy to write and send.

[SilverFang01]

The Question 2017 Made Us Ask

As we look back on this crazy, exhausting, absurdist play of a year, there is a question that undergirds it all. Behind the policy decisions and executive proclamations, the resistance and abuse revelations, the question has persisted: What are people for?

Or, to put it another way: How do we measure the value of a person?

Is a person less valuable to this country because of their religious background — even or especially assuming they pose no actual security risk?

Should we bar soldiers from their service because their healthcare is said to be too costly — even, or especially, if that cost pales in comparison to what the military spends on Viagra?

Should a policy of brutal deportations include refusing the “courtesy” of allowing people to hug their loved ones goodbye because “emotional scenes” are unpleasant for immigration officers?

Shall we, once again, privilege tax cuts for the rich over the lives of millions of people?

Whose service matters? Whose heart? Whose health? Whose wallet? Whose safety?

[SilverFang01]

Trump cites as a negotiating tool his policy of separating immigrant children from their parents

Anyone still pretending this is about anything other than whether it is morally acceptable to separate children from their families as a deliberate negotiating tactic is simply lying to themselves. Either you think that anything done to "them" is fair game, or you don't.


Because I know it will be brought up.
AP FACT CHECK: Trump on FBI, phantom law on migrant kids

THE FACTS: It’s not Democrats’ law. There is no law mandating the separation of children and parents at the border.

The separations are a consequence of a Trump administration policy to maximize criminal prosecutions of people caught trying to enter the U.S. illegally. That means more adults are jailed, pending trial, so their children are removed from them. Before the policy, many people who were accused of illegal entry and did not have a criminal record were merely referred for civil deportation proceedings, which generally did not break up families.

The policy was announced April 6 and went into effect in May. From April 19 to May 31, 1,995 children were separated from 1,940 adults, according to Homeland Security statistics obtained by The Associated Press. The figures are for people who tried to enter the U.S. between official border crossings.

Trump’s repeated, but nonspecific references to a Democratic law appear to involve one enacted in 2008. It passed unanimously in Congress and was signed by Republican President George W. Bush. It was focused on freeing and otherwise helping children who come to the border without a parent or guardian. It does not call for family separation.

[robkelk]

Godwin!

Melania Trump's immigration lawyer compares family separations to Nazi Germany

[hazard]

She's actually not the first. There's been an ex-CIA director on the TV networks that has made the same comparison.

[robkelk]

Maybe he's realized how big a hole he dug himself into...
Trump signs order stopping family separation after outcry

[Inquisitive Raven]

Though AIUI, the order has no effect on separations that have already happened.

[Bob Schroeck]

It also expires in 20 days.