So, anyone here in Portland?

[Matrix Dragon]

There's reports of unidentified military in unmarked vans grabbing people off the streets, no coordination with the local government or authorities. Please be careful.

[classicdrogn]

Well. That's... probably going to work. Unfortunately, it'll be one of the guys sent to pound pavement who gets shot by whoever is provoked into responding, not the asshole who gave the orders. Not that "just following orders" has been a valid defense for seventy some years, but they don't deserve to get attacked over political grandstanding any more than the people they've been sent out to accost do.

[Labster]

The blue checks disappear from Twitter for one day -- one day! -- and now this.

[robkelk]

There are 23 towns named Portland in the USA alone (and more elsewhere). Which one are we talking about here?

[Matrix Dragon]

There are 23 towns named Portland in the USA alone (and more elsewhere). Which one are we talking about here?

Oregon.

https://www.opb.org/news/article/federal...rotesters/

[Labster]

Pretty soon, all of the Portlands. This is just the test run.

[Rajvik]

alrght i am reading the article and want to point out that the person who was captured, (and yes i will use that word) was not charged, thus there was no need for documentation, he was detained for questioning. Why, you might ask, because he was dressed similiar to ANTIFA rioters who have a tendency to start shit and then blend in with the crowd to disappear. These are Guerrilla tactics and show a distinct lack of care for fellow protesters who can, will and have been caught up in the situations.

now, if the mayor and police of Portland would make sure the protests stay peaceful and NOT turn into riotiing, then maybe, just maybe there wouldn't be reason for Trump to use the Insurrection Act

[Matrix Dragon]

Is anyone here surprised that Rav has reappeared to defend the military on the street, driving around in unmarked rental vans, grabbing people off the street, and claiming it's their own fault for possibly being part of anti-facism protests against police brutality, in a town where 'less-lethal' ammunition has killed people?

[hazard]

Rajvik, the fact that the government used unaccountable goons for their people snatching operation is trouble enough. In fact, the government using any unidentifiable personnel in any circumstance is a problem because they are unaccountable. Even to the government.

Because I assure you, the government won't know anything about those guys either. And it's even more terrifying if that claim is true, rather than an obscuration for a document hidden behind a classification seal that details a team of government agents doing government work while unidentifiable.

[classicdrogn]

Also posted in Politics Video Madness: Beau talking about this

[Labster]

The renditions will continue until public opinion numbers improve.

[Matrix Dragon]

"Wait, sending in unidentified thugs to grab people off the street in a show of strength while refusing to communicate with local government isn't making me more popular? FAKE NEWS!"

[Jinx999]

They're a bunch of lawless out of control thugs who should be arrested and jailed for their actions.

Sir? That's a mirror.

[SilverFang01]

Seems to me that Tom Cotton Op-Ed from a few weeks back was more of a trial balloon than anything else.

[Matrix Dragon]

Seems like. It's also interesting that several of the people that've spoken publicly say they were given a chance to waive their rights (FUCKING WHAT), and then released without explanation or paperwork after asking for a lawyer. I'm not sure if it's just meant for intimidation of people that don't understand their rights, or just general incompetence.

[robkelk]

By the way... what does the fourth amendment to your Constitution have to say about this?

Because I'm not seeing any probable cause for these seizures, from where I'm sitting and what I'm being shown in the press.

[Dartz]

Unleashing the secret police has always been the last desperate gasp of a dying regime.

[Dartz]

alrght i am reading the article and want to point out that the person who was captured, (and yes i will use that word) was not charged, thus there was no need for documentation, he was detained for questioning. Why, you might ask, because he was dressed similiar to ANTIFA rioters who have a tendency to start shit and then blend in with the crowd to disappear. These are Guerrilla tactics and show a distinct lack of care for fellow protesters who can, will and have been caught up in the situations.

now, if the mayor and police of Portland would make sure the protests stay peaceful and NOT turn into riotiing, then maybe, just maybe there wouldn't be reason for Trump to use the Insurrection Act

It's his own fault for dressing like a normal person? What the fuck should you dress in then if you're going out in public. Being 'detained for questioning' is not okay. That's Stasi level intimidation shit rather than actual investifation.


Okay. Not to mention that this same line has been used as justification to bomb the shit out of innocent civilians for decades.This is Death Star reasoning.


All it does is turn more people going about their days into more guerrillas. It's a self defeating.

[robkelk]

Oh, for the love of God.

Presumed guilty because of physical appearance.

I'll say it now, because I'm willing to bet that it's relevant: #BlackLivesMatter

[Norgarth]

cross posted from the Political video madness thread
TYT - Oregon Governor to Trump's police force: GET OUT

[aku]

And it has made international news

• German Tagesschau
  
• BBC
  

[Norgarth]

Beau of the Fifth Column - Let's talk about Portland again and Manuals


The Lincoln Project - Grifters Episode 1


Lincoln Project - Wall

[GethN7]

From what I understand, the guys doing the detaining in Portland have been identified recently, specifically as affiliated with the Department of Homeland Security, acting under what, according to my read of the law suggests, proper authority as determined by their federal charter.

Now, I want to go on record saying I'm a strong law and order type, but I also do admit it's concerning it's come to the fact organizations such as DHS are resorting to this. At the same time, I'd like to gently remind even the strongest anti-federal type it has long been a bulwark of US law that federal property and it's defense has always trumped state authority, a position Lincoln made clear in the American Civil War and which has stuck ever since.

While I support peaceable protest, attacks on federal property and/or it's employees can and will be met with by federal force. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

And I'd also like to remind people the authority to allow the DHS to act like this has long since legally passed the test of the Supreme Court thanks to a little thing called the PATRIOT Act, which I personally don't like, but has been defended thus far on legal grounds.

So while I utterly sympathize with those who consider this federal overreach, and even I'm disturbed it's come to this despite my own admitted biases, it is, however distasteful, legally enforcable. And said authority does trump the state so long as their DHS officials adhere towards detaining those who acted with destruction or harm to federal property and/or it's employees.

[SilverFang01]

Oregon Sues Federal Agencies For Grabbing Up Protesters Off The Streets

Also, if the Portland Police Department was trying to keep themselves from getting disbanded, they might have just scored a gigantic own goal.

https://twitter.com/JoAnnPDX/status/1284...88481?s=20

[Matrix Dragon]

From what I understand, the guys doing the detaining in Portland have been identified recently, specifically as affiliated with the Department of Homeland Security, acting under what, according to my read of the law suggests, proper authority as determined by their federal charter.

Now, I want to go on record saying I'm a strong law and order type, but I also do admit it's concerning it's come to the fact organizations such as DHS are resorting to this. At the same time, I'd like to gently remind even the strongest anti-federal type it has long been a bulwark of US law that federal property and it's defense has always trumped state authority, a position Lincoln made clear in the American Civil War and which has stuck ever since.

While I support peaceable protest, attacks on federal property and/or it's employees can and will be met with by federal force. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

And I'd also like to remind people the authority to allow the DHS to act like this has long since legally passed the test of the Supreme Court thanks to a little thing called the PATRIOT Act, which I personally don't like, but has been defended thus far on legal grounds.

So while I utterly sympathize with those who consider this federal overreach, and even I'm disturbed it's come to this despite my own admitted biases, it is, however distasteful, legally enforcable. And said authority does trump the state so long as their DHS officials adhere towards detaining those who acted with destruction or harm to federal property and/or it's employees.

So, the response to graffiti and protests against police brutality is to grab people off the street at random in unmarked rental vans, intimidate them, then when they ask for a lawyer, release them onto the street without charge. It's to fire on protesters with 'less-lethal' ammunition that leaves victims crippled for life. Even if that bullshit is legal, and I have serious doubts about that, it's morally cowardly and disgusting, and a shining example yet again what your country has become. Video evidence keeps piling up. It's not the protesters that escalate to violence. It's the authorities, the heavily armed thugs in riot gear backed up by military vehicles, that are starting the violence and then blatantly lying about it, no matter how much evidence there is against them. They murder people on camera, and nothing is done. Your police, your border patrol, your goddamn prison officers, are being sent out to wage war on your own citizens, and you go 'oh well, it's legal for them to do that, so if you wanna protest, well, play stupid games win stupid prizes.'