All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXXI

[MilkmanConspiracy]

I think I’m a bit out of it. I might take a break for a day or two if that’s alright.

[robkelk]

No worries. Take as long as you need.

[Bob Schroeck]

What Rob said. You're a machine, man, take some downtime.

[Labster]

I'm attempting to update DNS configuration for allthetropes.org, as Miraheze is discontinuing its DNS service. Let me know if you have any problems connecting. Thanks!

[Bob Schroeck]

I had no problems reaching Recent Changes a minute ago.

[MilkmanConspiracy]

I’m able to access it without issue.

[robkelk]

All Miraheze wikis just disappeared - including Meta.

404 errors.

I've entered ticket T13487

[robkelk]

And they're back.

[MilkmanConspiracy]

Notes on current pending edits:

• I’m not nearly qualified enough to comment on the Complete Monster stuff. It was before my time, and I’m aware it was a factor in the previous fork.
  
• The pending edits to the Shiki characters section is much better than the prior one (I can understand what is meant), but still shaky. I’m sympathetic to editors whose first language is not English, but I don’t want to step on a prior warning either.
  
• There is an edit for Monster Girl Quest Paradox Characters that is highlighted red. I assume this has already been OK'd and just needs merged into the article right? Otherwise I’ll do the normal review for potential plagiarism before merging.
  

[GethN7]

Notes on current pending edits:

• I’m not nearly qualified enough to comment on the Complete Monster stuff. It was before my time, and I’m aware it was a factor in the previous fork.
  
• The pending edits to the Shiki characters section is much better than the prior one (I can understand what is meant), but still shaky. I’m sympathetic to editors whose first language is not English, but I don’t want to step on a prior warning either.
  
• There is an edit for Monster Girl Quest Paradox Characters that is highlighted red. I assume this has already been OK'd and just needs merged into the article right? Otherwise I’ll do the normal review for potential plagiarism before merging.
  

Yes, the Complete Monster trope led to all sorts of edit wars and we even had a former admin meltdown and to be voted off the island over it. They still had idiot battles over this on Wikia and TV Tropes. Removing flashpoints of contention is a good thing.

As to the questionable English, yeah, we like contributions, but we do want them to be legible.

The last one is when two edits overlap and require merging changes. It's uncommon but does happen from time to time.

[MilkmanConspiracy]

Notes on current pending edits:

• I’m not nearly qualified enough to comment on the Complete Monster stuff. It was before my time, and I’m aware it was a factor in the previous fork.
  
• The pending edits to the Shiki characters section is much better than the prior one (I can understand what is meant), but still shaky. I’m sympathetic to editors whose first language is not English, but I don’t want to step on a prior warning either.
  
• There is an edit for Monster Girl Quest Paradox Characters that is highlighted red. I assume this has already been OK'd and just needs merged into the article right? Otherwise I’ll do the normal review for potential plagiarism before merging.
  

Yes, the Complete Monster trope led to all sorts of edit wars and we even had a former admin meltdown and to be voted off the island over it. They still had idiot battles over this on Wikia and TV Tropes. Removing flashpoints of contention is a good thing.

As to the questionable English, yeah, we like contributions, but we do want them to be legible.

The last one is when two edits overlap and require merging changes. It's uncommon but does happen from time to time.

Makes sense, thanks!

[robkelk]

Notes on current pending edits:

• I’m not nearly qualified enough to comment on the Complete Monster stuff. It was before my time, and I’m aware it was a factor in the previous fork.
  

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Yes, the Complete Monster trope led to all sorts of edit wars and we even had a former admin meltdown and to be voted off the island over it. They still had idiot battles over this on Wikia and TV Tropes. Removing flashpoints of contention is a good thing.
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Geth is being nice. We should have lost two admins because of behaviour during that mess, and one of those two was me.

We have some very forgiving admins.

[Bob Schroeck]

The last one is when two edits overlap and require merging changes. It's uncommon but does happen from time to time.

Makes sense, thanks!

That's my fault; I left them that way when I didn't have time to resolve the conflicts -- two of them, as I recall. I had intended to take care of them before the weekend was out, but between houseguests and my wife's birthday I had a whole lot less time than I expected.

[Bob Schroeck]

On a related topic, Felippe Alexandher has taken to using board-to-board to contact me directly about his contributions (probably because I was the one who rejected his initial edits), and I'm at a loss. His English is so bad I'm uncertain just what he's trying to say, and I'm not sure what more I can say to him besides "find someone who actually knows English and have them check your work" -- which I've done already.

   

While I'd appreciate any suggestions, I'm more just kvetching than anything else.

[Bob Schroeck]

Yes, the Complete Monster trope led to all sorts of edit wars and we even had a former admin meltdown and to be voted off the island over it. They still had idiot battles over this on Wikia and TV Tropes. Removing flashpoints of contention is a good thing.

I thought that we'd resolved to allow both existing and future entries on YMMV pages even though we'd removed examples from the trope page itself. Do I recall incorrectly?

[MilkmanConspiracy]

On a related topic, Felippe Alexandher has taken to using board-to-board to contact me directly about his contributions (probably because I was the one who rejected his initial edits), and I'm at a loss.  His English is so bad I'm uncertain just what he's trying to say, and I'm not sure what more I can say to him besides "find someone who actually knows English and have them check your work" -- which I've done already.



While I'd appreciate any suggestions, I'm more just kvetching than anything else.

A word processor would catch a lot of the basic problems with his edits, though it will do nothing for how comprehensible the output is. It's a tool I should use more often myself.

I’m almost tempted to suggest an LLM as a language coach, but in my experience suggesting this to  English as a second language speakers, this quickly goes from analysis of what’s wrong in a passage to having it generate what they want without being able to fully understand it. And that leads to a whole other can of ethical worms if they use the output as such, assuming it’s any good.

The real solution is to have a multilingual setup like Wikimedia does for its wikis, but I’m not sure that’s within scope, and it would be difficult to moderate without trusted users in the target languages. It would be something different from the forks though.

[MilkmanConspiracy]

Yes, the Complete Monster trope led to all sorts of edit wars and we even had a former admin meltdown and to be voted off the island over it. They still had idiot battles over this on Wikia and TV Tropes. Removing flashpoints of contention is a good thing.

I thought that we'd resolved to allow both existing and future entries on YMMV pages even though we'd removed examples from the trope page itself.  Do I recall incorrectly?

From the outside looking in, it’s kind of vague.

The linked discussion topic on the Complete Monster page is something I (And presumably other users) don’t have permission to view. The page itself says no examples, which could be interpreted as local to that page or anywhere. The criteria page is still up without any prominent notes as to not creating new examples, though it could just be an oversight.

[GethN7]

Yes, the Complete Monster trope led to all sorts of edit wars and we even had a former admin meltdown and to be voted off the island over it. They still had idiot battles over this on Wikia and TV Tropes. Removing flashpoints of contention is a good thing.

I thought that we'd resolved to allow both existing and future entries on YMMV pages even though we'd removed examples from the trope page itself.  Do I recall incorrectly?

Not my recollection, and personally, given that trope is such a hideous drama magnet, I'd rather we avoid the absolute tirefire of drama we got back when we banished it to the same pit we did all the other drama magnets.

[AvrosRaven]

On a related topic, Felippe Alexandher has taken to using board-to-board to contact me directly about his contributions (probably because I was the one who rejected his initial edits), and I'm at a loss.  His English is so bad I'm uncertain just what he's trying to say, and I'm not sure what more I can say to him besides "find someone who actually knows English and have them check your work" -- which I've done already.



While I'd appreciate any suggestions, I'm more just kvetching than anything else.

my best attempt at translation: 

"Tomboy to Girly Girl: Nami is an aggressive tomboy in comparison to Kana's girly tendencies. Despite this, they still mesh as friends and are good contrasts for each other" 

"Depraved Bisexual: Early on, Nami was shown to be a Psycho Lesbian. Later, however, she made love to her twin brother."

[Bob Schroeck]

Thanks, Avros, but it really wasn't the contribution I had problems understanding, but his attempts to communicate with me. While I think I know what he means, I would really rather he actually, you know, communicate clearly rather than me having to make a guess at his meaning. As for the contributions, it's the responsibility of the contributor to write clearly and comprehensibly; it's not the responsibility of the wiki administrators to rescue word salad and try to make it make sense. (Even with as few active contributors as we have, it's already a red queen's race -- adding fixing broken English to the mix would bog all of us down horribly.)

[Bob Schroeck]

I thought that we'd resolved to allow both existing and future entries on YMMV pages even though we'd removed examples from the trope page itself.  Do I recall incorrectly?

Not my recollection, and personally, given that trope is such a hideous drama magnet, I'd rather we avoid the absolute tirefire of drama we got back when we banished it to the same pit we did all the other drama magnets.

Fair enough.

[AvrosRaven]

Ah, that makes sense. understandable.

[Bob Schroeck]

Heads up. New user MorningDaylight is HLIAA14YOG, who apparently followed a suggestion by Rob to come here, and looks like he wants to appeal his ban.

[robkelk]

Heads up. New user MorningDaylight is HLIAA14YOG, who apparently followed a suggestion by Rob to come here, and looks like he wants to appeal his ban.

Since it's an appeal of an action that I carried out on behalf of the moderators, I will stay out of it.

[MorningDaylight]

Well, I will try to write something that will not waste much of anyone's time;

I am human, I'm prone to error. Errors happen. I admit I'm often anxious and write things before thinking about what exactly they mean.

About the "Human Resources" edit, I didn't intend to create legal problems for the wiki. I thought the information was factual, it was not factual. I don't read a lot of gossip news, and I thought by the point where articles on "The Guardian" were quoting it, I thought it was real. I did not intend to create legal problems for the wiki.

I promise I will abstain from troping on real things to avoid future errors.

About the "Oppressed States of America" edit, I admit, I didn't watch the credits of the movie. I don't read movie credits. Ever. Apparently, "CSA: The Confederate States of America" is not a parody of anything, despite being a mockumentary.

About the CSA example, I do not know what to say except "I had incomplete information". Honestly, I found the movie so poorly made and so absurd in its premise( I do not think any country in the proximity of Britain's sphere of influence would hold on to slavery more than my country Brazil did, that was 1888) that I thought it was a comedy; some bad movies like "The Room" by Tommy Wiseau also made me think they were intended to be comedies, but they were not. I promise I will refrain from saying a work fits a genre or not unless I have a source that is not myself.

 I do not think this last error was so big, but I suppose with all the errors I committed all those years this was the last straw to most of you.

And that is all I could write in my defence.