All The Tropes Wiki Project, Part XXXI

[robkelk]

BlankEclair identified a copyvio in the page description for the webcomic Rain (Predates Import), and has offered a new description to replace it.

Is it possible to get oversight or similar on the page intro, given it exists in all prior article revisions?

That would require going back to TV Tropes, which is pretty much impossible after a decade.

If the description actually describes the work and isn't a copyright violation, then I'd say to go with it.

[GethN7]

BlankEclair identified a copyvio in the page description for the webcomic Rain (Predates Import), and has offered a new description to replace it.

Is it possible to get oversight or similar on the page intro, given it exists in all prior article revisions?

Yes, we can simply hide all revisions save the one with legal text if required.

As to their proposed changes, I do not object to any of them save one:

• It said that some "would debate [Rain]’s even a girl", which, considering the current political landscape, is painfully true. Nevertheless, it is pretty damn disrespectful to claim that a trans person is not who they are, which is further backed by the author in the FAQ: "[Rain] was always a woman. A trans woman is a woman. Full stop."
  

While I'm not going to dispute the need for the change, for accuracy, we cannot pretend the earlier dialogue/commentary did not happen, and we should reference, in full, the author's commentary on the question, likely best rendered as a reference note.

[robkelk]

We're down to 2329 images from TV Tropes where we haven't identified what the licences should be. Of those, 1095 (approximately half) are definitely not so easy to identify that we can simply add the image's work and trope categories and a fairuse licence to the file page; they're going to need some actual detective work and possibly replacement with better-quality equivalent images where we know the licence terms. (There are probably more images like this in the remaining files, too. I haven't looked yet.)

So, yeah, this is one of those 90/90 projects - the first 90% of the work takes 90% of the time, and the other 10% of the work takes another 90% of the time.

[robkelk]

I think I've commented on the wildly-inaccurate estimates on the Lint Errors list.

As of this posting, there are 2,500 errors listed on the "Missing end tag" list. The estimate is 7,368 errors. Somebody really should mention this to the coder of the extension... whoever that might be.

[robkelk]

I've just marked "JJ Villarreal" as a spammer, for inserting gibberish into existing pages. (I'd say 300 words with no punctuation is gibberish.) If I erred, feel free to correct my action.

[Labster]

I posted a new topic on Forum:Wiki Updates which everyone should read.  And I'm looking for any feedback on the new review thingy I cooked up.  It's simple - I really don't want to have to pull out Extension:PageForms for this, which I'm not even sure would work.  (VisualEditor might work, but then no one has ever bothered to learn TemplateData which is why VE has never understood our templates.)

This is essentially the prelude to a new {{trope}} and {{work}} template module. I need to get rid of the Reviews:X thing, and I really only want to deploy a new version of the module once.  It creates thousands of jobs on the server, which around 10 years ago was enough to crash the jobrunners.

Now, I've now done enough Lua modules in MW so I can write cleaner code.  I also think I might add a preload thing automatically from the Create New box, so that we don't have to rely on MultiBoilerplate clicks.  And of course, clean up the duplicate ID lint errors.  Speaking of...

As of this posting, there are 2,500 errors listed on the "Missing end tag" list. The estimate is 7,368 errors. Somebody really should mention this to the coder of the extension... whoever that might be.

I'm fairly sure it's cscott, or someone Dr. Scott works with directly.

[MilkmanConspiracy]

I posted a new topic on Forum:Wiki Updates which everyone should read.  And I'm looking for any feedback on the new review thingy I cooked up.  It's simple - I really don't want to have to pull out ExtensionageForms for this, which I'm not even sure would work.  (VisualEditor might work, but then no one has ever bothered to learn TemplateData which is why VE has never understood our templates.)

This is essentially the prelude to a new {{trope}} and {{work}} template module. I need to get rid of the Reviews:X thing, and I really only want to deploy a new version of the module once.  It creates thousands of jobs on the server, which around 10 years ago was enough to crash the jobrunners.

Now, I've now done enough Lua modules in MW so I can write cleaner code.  I also think I might add a preload thing automatically from the Create New box, so that we don't have to rely on MultiBoilerplate clicks.  And of course, clean up the duplicate ID lint errors.  Speaking of...

As of this posting, there are 2,500 errors listed on the "Missing end tag" list. The estimate is 7,368 errors. Somebody really should mention this to the coder of the extension... whoever that might be.

I'm fairly sure it's cscott, or someone Dr. Scott works with directly.

Looks good! For styling I might suggest taking inspiration from Wikivoyage's listing editor, but this is certainly serviceable.

[GethN7]

I'm automatically in favor of anything that is better coded than our current setup, so five stars from me.

[MilkmanConspiracy]

Should the following images be edit protected?
file:ATTspriterow.png - Used site wide for icons?

File:No image please.jpg - Used for images with sensitive subject material.

[Bob Schroeck]

If it makes sense to you to protect them go ahead. If it becomes an issue, we'll talk it out and determine what to do then.

That said, it certainly seems to be the right thing to do in this case.

[MilkmanConspiracy]

If it makes sense to you to protect them go ahead.  If it becomes an issue, we'll talk it out and determine what to do then.

That said, it certainly seems to be the right thing to do in this case.

Got it - I am unable to alter protection of files myself, so someone else would need to do so in this case.

[robkelk]

I've protected them both.

[Bob Schroeck]

Could other admins please review this change to "Political Stereotype"? I'm not sure whether my reactions to it are biased or not.

Thanks.

[robkelk]

I was about to ask the same thing. It isn't what I'd call an unbiased edit.

[robkelk]

Anybody know why "Monster Girl Quest! Paradox RPG" and its subpages have been getting so many edits lately?

More importantly, are we in the middle of moderating an edit war?

[robkelk]

Could other admins please review this change to "Political Stereotype"? I'm not sure whether my reactions to it are biased or not.

Thanks.

I was about to ask the same thing. It isn't what I'd call an unbiased edit.

Since nobody else has been willing to do the necessary, I've rejected the change.

(Probably for the best in this case, since I don't live in the USA.)

[GethN7]

Could other admins please review this change to "Political Stereotype"?  I'm not sure whether my reactions to it are biased or not.

Thanks.

I was about to ask the same thing. It isn't what I'd call an unbiased edit.

Since nobody else has been willing to do the necessary, I've rejected the change.

(Probably for the best in this case, since I don't live in the USA.)

Bit late to the party here, but I didn't think the edit was that contentious, they did cover both sides and not just one, but I'll defer to the judgment of the majority on this to be safe.

[MilkmanConspiracy]

Anybody know why "Monster Girl Quest! Paradox RPG" and its subpages have been getting so many edits lately?

More importantly, are we in the middle of moderating an edit war?

I haven’t actually played it, but It belongs to a series that has multiple entries among the top 100 (Rated or Popularity) on VNDB.

Not the pinnacle of the medium in either popularity or aggregated ratings, but a recognizable brand in the (comparatively small) scene. Since it is also an H-Game, it may not be allowed on other troping websites due to advertiser concerns. I posit that is what is causing the activity on the ATT page.

I haven’t been paying close enough attention to determine if a real edit war is happening. I’ve seen conflicting edits, but chalked them up to divergences from editing the same page simultaneously. I’ll reexamine that soon to see if my gut feeling holds water.

[Labster]

Could other admins please review this change to "Political Stereotype"?  I'm not sure whether my reactions to it are biased or not.

Thanks.

I was about to ask the same thing. It isn't what I'd call an unbiased edit.

Since nobody else has been willing to do the necessary, I've rejected the change.

(Probably for the best in this case, since I don't live in the USA.)

Bit late to the party here, but I didn't think the edit was that contentious, they did cover both sides and not just one, but I'll defer to the judgment of the majority on this to be safe.

Yeah, I agree with Geth, I would have accepted that edit.  Honestly the stereotypes have ramped up to the point that accusing the other party of being pedoes is normal. :'(

[robkelk]

Let's talk about something that was definitely not on my bingo card this year: Trump seems to want to be elected as Pope of the Roman Catholic Church.  Okay, so at first Reuters posted that Trump jokes that he'd like to be the next pope.  But like a lot of Trump's "jokes", they're really just a trial balloon for his real desires.  At least one US Senator endorsed Trump for Pope.  Like 5 days later, the official White House account posted an AI-generated photo of Trump dressed as the pope.

Now, I myself dressed as the Bishop of Rome for a couple of Halloweens, and that was all in the spirit of good fun.  But context is everything, and I don't think this current thing is in the spirit of merriment.

Put aside all of the heretical and blasphemous implications for a second, and look just at the political implications: the head of state of one nation has dressed himself in the ceremonial garb of another head of state.  The implications are pretty damn clear, a universal element in human history — ever since Lower Egypt and Upper Egypt were united, the crown of the pharaohs combined the shape of both of the previous hats.  Trump is acting as a pretender to the throne of Saint Peter.

Maybe it's a joke, sure.  But he wants it.  He wants all the power.

And we have a page that is -- on purpose and by design -- about him but not fawningly sycophantic toward him.

He's already ignoring the Fifth Amendment ("... nor be deprived of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ...") and the Fourteenth Amendment ("... nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law ..."). We can't count on the First Amendment to protect us. Will we have to move the wiki out of the USA in order to protect it?

[MilkmanConspiracy]

Prefacing this by saying I’m not really familiar beyond a surface level with Miraheze infrastructure - cyber or otherwise.

It wouldn’t be a bad idea to maintain backups outside the USA, or even North America, regardless of political ongoings. Being dispersed across a large geographic area is an excellent bulwark against a number of potential threats. I know some people on /r/datahoarders would probably be interested in such a dataset, if they knew it existed.

I believe AllTheTropes is the only troping wiki that has been hosted outside the USA in the past (Wasn’t the wiki farm that hosted it based out of the UK for a time?). If censorship from the American Government becomes an issue, it would be preferable to move out in my opinion. Higher profile projects like Wikimedia would be the first to go, and would be a good canary in the coal mine to look out for. There is potential movement against Wikimedia by the American government now (Signpost article), so it’s something to keep an eye on.

[GethN7]

Prefacing this by saying I’m not really familiar beyond a surface level with Miraheze infrastructure - cyber or otherwise.

It wouldn’t be a bad idea to maintain backups outside the USA, or even North America, regardless of political ongoings. Being dispersed across a large geographic area is an excellent bulwark against a number of potential threats. I know some people on /r/datahoarders would probably be interested in such a dataset, if they knew it existed.

I believe AllTheTropes is the only troping wiki that has been hosted outside the USA in the past (Wasn’t the wiki farm that hosted it based out of the UK for a time?). If censorship from the American Government becomes an issue, it would be preferable to move out in my opinion. Higher profile projects like Wikimedia would be the first to go, and would be a good canary in the coal mine to look out for. There is potential movement against Wikimedia by the American government now (Signpost article), so it’s something to keep an eye on.

I support backups on sheer principle, fallbacks are good, but I personally believe this is overblown. Until we get a "censor your wiki or be black bagged" notice, I think this fear is unwarranted. Regardless of the merits of that part, I'm still going to back having fallbacks regardless of the reason.