[Meta] [RFC] Fenspace 2022, take 2

[LynnInDenver]

If GC is interested, "HH Engineering" has a quite effective line of defensive garden gomes... These look to be made of painted concrete, doing the various things garden gomes do, but are in fact miniature defensive drones, with a variety of options, including leaping in the way of bullets, and a one-shot EMP grenade...

(They don't fight, they only defend - the handwavium is particular about that... One reason for this is you feel a lot safer about them being around children, and places where you live.)

Thanks to Howard Taylor, I keep thinking that any place that sells a line of garden gnomes, especially defensive types, needs to offer a matching line of garden ninjas.
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"You know how parents tell you everything's going to fine, but you know they're lying to make you feel better? Everything's going to be fine." - The Doctor

[Rakhasa]

Thanks to Howard Taylor, I keep thinking that any place that sells a line of garden gnomes, especially defensive types, needs to offer a matching line of garden ninjas.

There was once a third line of garden pirates, but they kept fighting the ninjas until there were none left (the gnomes pretended to an alliance and backstabbed then in the last battle)

[ECSNorway]

Rumors of the existence of a line of garden zombies have been thoroughly exaggerated and are swiftly denied by company executives.
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Sucrose Octanitrate.
Proof positive that with sufficient motivation, you can make anything explode.

[Ace Dreamer]

If GC is interested, "HH Engineering" has a quite effective line of defensive garden gomes... These look to be made of painted concrete, doing the various things garden gomes do, but are in fact miniature defensive drones, with a variety of options, including leaping in the way of bullets, and a one-shot EMP grenade...

(They don't fight, they only defend - the handwavium is particular about that... One reason for this is you feel a lot safer about them being around children, and places where you live.)

Thanks to Howard Taylor, I keep thinking that any place that sells a line of garden gnomes, especially defensive types, needs to offer a matching line of garden ninjas.

I'm sure the Hidden Villages, or whatever Naruto or other ninja fandom, can be persuaded to help with this.
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"It is the business of the future to be dangerous" - Hawkwind

[Ace Dreamer]

Thanks to Howard Taylor, I keep thinking that any place that sells a line of garden gnomes, especially defensive types, needs to offer a matching line of garden ninjas.

There was once a third line of garden pirates, but they kept fighting the ninjas until there were none left (the gnomes pretended to an alliance and backstabbed then in the last battle)

Wouldn't you need some vampire robot monkeys in there, as well?
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"It is the business of the future to be dangerous" - Hawkwind

[ECSNorway]

If GC is interested, "HH Engineering" has a quite effective line of defensive garden gomes... These look to be made of painted concrete, doing the various things garden gomes do, but are in fact miniature defensive drones, with a variety of options, including leaping in the way of bullets, and a one-shot EMP grenade...

(They don't fight, they only defend - the handwavium is particular about that... One reason for this is you feel a lot safer about them being around children, and places where you live.)

Thanks to Howard Taylor, I keep thinking that any place that sells a line of garden gnomes, especially defensive types, needs to offer a matching line of garden ninjas.

I'm sure the Hidden Villages, or whatever Naruto or other ninja fandom, can be persuaded to help with this.

That would be the Karasukage's "Village of Hidden Asteroid".

They also operate a fast-food delivery service. Yes, Ninjaburger.
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Proof positive that with sufficient motivation, you can make anything explode.

[robkelk]

Thanks to Howard Taylor, I keep thinking that any place that sells a line of garden gnomes, especially defensive types, needs to offer a matching line of garden ninjas.

What's the point? The garden ninja you can see is not a garden ninja...
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[Star Ranger4]

So, they hide as shrubs!
Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky?
That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry-
NO QUARTER!!!
-- "No Quarter", by Echo's Children

[ECSNorway]

So THAT's what the Knights of Ni wanted!
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[M Fnord]

Okay, you guys are getting way too slap-happy, guess that means we need some more substance to talk about. So here, this is a first pass incoherent rambling god's-eye view of changes in the 'Danelaw up to 2022. This could use a lot of input, guys, so comment @ will:

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LOVE IN THE TIME OF GREYFACE: The ‘Danelaw in 2022

The last decade has been a serious rollercoaster ride for the good people of Earth. Things are changing, and the odd thing is they’re changing for the better for the first time since the turn of the century. It’s not all wine and roses; starvation, disease, poverty and inequality are still rampant across the world, but as the third decade of the century dawns it looks like these things may finally be on the back foot.

{okay, quick synopsis: Since around 2016 handwavium is moving out into the public sphere beyond shadowy govt labs and wacky-ass Fen mad scientists. Handwaved batteries and engines have been introduced p. much everywhere; the engines don’t provide spaceflight or anything but they get absurd distance with zero emissions. The first models of Boeing and Airbus jetliners with waved engines are sparking a revolution in air travel – it’s not only cheap again (no avgas costs inflating ticket prices) it’s actually comfortable in coach for the first time ever! (since they don’t have to play cattle-car to make a profit.) In the first world, by 2022 everybody owns at least one piece of handwaved tech, whether it’s a tablet computer with a wavium battery or a car with a handwavium-based “water engine” (the myth made real). Serious people looking at the consumer markets in the US, Europe, Japan etc. expect there to be a tipping point in the next five-ten years after which the only non-waved tech will belong to hobbyists.

Meanwhile in the developing world handwavium is proving even more revolutionary. The addition of waved technology, esp. the sort of automated construction tech the Fen use, to open source projects like the Global Village Construction Set is rapidly transforming large parts of Asia, Africa and the Americas.

As wavetech starts filtering into the world at large, there’ve been some pretty impressive economic & political shocks. Sometimes it’s because wavetech is making an industry obsolete, sometimes it’s because Fen have made an industry obsolete (see ref. Rockhounds and their competition essentially destroying the terrestrial mining industry), sometimes it’s because established capital sees their power structures eroding and isn’t happy about it. This last one happens a lot, particularly when a group far away from the centers of power comes into sufficient wavetech that they don’t feel they need the distant government anymore to protect them, or that they don’t need to play nice to the foreign corporation’s bully-boys who run the local plantation. There’ve been a few small wars started in the last few years & a lot of people have died, but the powers that be are losing more than they’re winning. Decentralization of political and economic power seems to be winning, at least in the post-colonial nations.

Meanwhile, back in the first world… inequality in the developed nations reached record highs in the period after the big economic shakeup of ’08, but it seems that the tide is turning towards the people once again. Maybe it’s the wavetech boom injecting some needed vitality into the system, or maybe the powers-that-be realized they were a quarter-inch away from Communist Revolution II: Electric Boogaloo and finally hit the brakes. Capitalism is still King, but it’s more a constitutional monarchy in the 2020s if that makes any sense.

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..and that's where the original brainstorm peters out.
Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery

FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information

"I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!"

[ECSNorway]

The environmental movement is going to be split.

One group celebrating the extinction of the terrestrial mining industry and the end to its environmentally-devastating effects.

One group condemning Rockhounds for "polluting" the "pristine natural environment" of the asteroids they mine.

The latter gets laughed at a lot by people who have actually thought about the topic, rather than just reacting on instinct.
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[Ace Dreamer]

OK, cue mushy-tech revolution. All with handwavium strains that became well distributed.

* "Grey Pane" solar panels that turn 90% of the incident radiation falling on them, from IR through the visible spectrum to UV, into usable electrical energy. These are waved conventional solar panels. This meant people could make their own power cheaper than it could be generated and distributed centrally. The grid was still useful for evening-out power loads, though.

* "Super Batteries" are a waved combination of Lithium-Ion batteries and Super Capacitors with a waved processor, and can store ridiculous amounts of power. Most people turn to an electrical technician to put it all together. This meant people could store solar power for use at night, cloudy conditions, or even the long periods of darkness near the Poles, meaning they needed no other source of power.

* "Dole Yeast" is a ruggedly healthy and stable yeast growth that can be eaten to provide all needed human nutrition; unfortunately it is nearly tasteless, and makes wet cardboard appear a gormet dish. This is fed on just about anything organic (with the needed trace elements), including raw sewage, that has passed through a special handwavium-created filter (that is electrically powered). Living on this is a strong incentive to find some source of more attractive food.

* "Aqua Clean" is an electrically-powered handwavium filter which will take the most polluted water (including sea water, and sewage) and produce clean water for drinking.  Waving makes this sufficiently cheap.

Then there is the "Magic Wardrobe" that measures people, makes (non-designer) clothes of almost any sort for them (including shoes), and also cleans clothes and repair and re-dyes old clothes to new; needs rags, scrap leather, waste plastic, metal scrap.  Somehow these clothes always look a bit old-fashioned, but not enough to have become fashionable again.  Cleaning and repairing (or resizing) old clothes is practically quirk-free, but you can really mess yourself up specifying new stuff, and the wardrobe can make very hurtful comments on your fashion sense.

The "Doc Phone" which tracked its owners medical state, and made an emergency call generally early enough people could be effectively treated.  Waving lets this pick-up on delicate shifts and advance warnings.
The "Wave Meter", a tough, mostly idiot-proof, handheld device with a small LCD screen and a rechargable battery, which detects the presence of handwavium, and names it from a database of over five thousand strains (the database can be kept up-to-date by plugging this into a standard phone socket).  This will pick-up if there is enough handwavium to cause a one-off biomod, but minute quantities (particularly inside living things) can be overlooked.

The "Kanzashi", a small worn ornament, maybe in your hair, which contains (part of) a friendly AI who cares about you, will talk to you when you are lonely, enjoys your interests, and wants you to, and works towards, you having a fun life. Called the "IThink" by the more cynical. This has greatly reduced rates of depression across the world. Taking someones Kanzashi is a human rights violation in more enlightened places. These AIs are linked to phones, and are backed-up so destroying their physical part only looses their short-term memories. For some reason the standard versions of these don't work if taken to a height above Terra beyond about 50mls.  Originally it was hoped this would spread quite rapidly, but the only first world country that has fully embraced this is Japan; there are countries which ban this due to it being 'anti-authority'.
Edit: added bits due to feedback.  Added "Wave Meter".
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"It is the business of the future to be dangerous" - Hawkwind

[HRogge]

OK, cue mushy-tech revolution. All with handwavium strains that became well distributed.

* "Grey Pane" solar panels that turn 90% of the incident radiation falling on them, from IR through the visible spectrum to UV, into usable electrical energy. These are waved conventional solar panels. This meant people could make their own power cheaper than it could be generated and distributed centrally. The grid was still useful for evening-out power loads, though.

You could easily skip the UV part... not much energy available around our sun anyways Near infrared is much more interesting.

Might be interesting to know the quirks of this strain.

Hardtech cells are most likely at ~40-50% anyways in 2020.

* "Super Batteries" are a combination of Lithium-Ion batteries and Super Capacitors with a waved processor, and can store ridiculous amounts of power. Most people turn to an electrical technician to put it all together. This meant people could store solar power for use at night, cloudy conditions, or even the long periods of darkness near the Poles, meaning they needed no other source of power.

Without waving the battery/capacitor, I cannot see how this should increase the capacity...

* "Aqua Clean" is an electrically-powered handwavium filter which will take the most polluted water (including sea water, and sewage) and produce clean water for drinking.

Hardtech filters (based on Graphen?) will do half of the job (filtering our anything but water)... but the waver versions might add the necessary salts to make it drinkable.

Then there is the "Magic Wardrobe" that measures people, makes (non-designer) clothes of almost any sort for them (including shoes), and also cleans clothes and repair and re-dyes old clothes to new; needs rags, scrap leather, waste plastic, metal scrap.

Hmm... I think this one should be highly quirked.

The "Doc Phone" which tracked its owners medical state, and made an emergency call generally early enough people could be effectively treated.

Where is the need of Handwavium with this one?

The "Kanzashi", a small worn ornament, maybe in your hair, which contains (part of) a friendly AI who cares about you, will talk to you when you are lonely, enjoys your interests, and wants you to, and works towards, you having a fun life. Called the "IThink" by the more cynical. This has greatly reduced rates of depression across the world. Taking someones Kanzashi is a human rights violation in more enlightened places. These AIs are linked to phones, and are backed-up so destroying their physical part only looses their short-term memories. For some reason the standard versions of these don't work if taken to a height above Terra beyond about 50mls.

Hmm...

[Dakota]

Also forgeting about hardtech reversed engineered from the catalog. So I'd see a mix of hard catalog tech and mushy-tech 'dane side. As for the small subset of greenies that complain about everything, they'll switch to complaining about 'wavium tainting the landscape.

2021 the accidental bimoded bear Charlie E. Ursine takes up the roll of Smokey the Bear for the US Forestry Service
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[Dartz]

Meanwhile in the field of automobiles, the wave has differentiated manufacturers like never before. Each marque has it's own individualistic quirks and individual strengths in a way not seen since the 1900's as manufacturers go wild with things that are completely different from each other, rather than badge-engineered econoboxen. Car manufacturers start to have a genuine individual identity again.

Except in the EU were insanely rigid type-approval laws prevent waved-auto's from gaining much traction. Because 'quirky' cars because they're hard to rigidly define (Yes... this is an actual law being introduced by the EU which would forbid *any* modification beyond the manufacturer's standard spec on any car in the EU and ensure only type-approved parts can be used legally. The Shower of bastards.)

It's people like the EU parliament that hold back the mundane world. The straight-banana folk who meddle and regulate solely to justify their position.

Would the EU collapsing be too dystopian? Because I'm feeling bitter and pulling that heaving edifice apart even in fiction would make me smile. Or at least falling back to a more loosely associated Economic Community.....
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[Rakhasa]

Would the EU collapsing be too dystopian? Because I'm feeling bitter and pulling that heaving edifice apart even in fiction would make me smile. Or at least falling back to a more loosely associated Economic Community.....

On a slightly related note -but instead of multinational groups collapsing, the opposite: What would happen if some 'Dane nation asked to join the Convention?
It would likely a smallish one, one (former) developing or even third world nation that joined the developed world -maybe even the democratic world-thanks to the society and economic changes brought by Handwavium.

[M Fnord]

The "Kanzashi",

This might be going a little too far too fast for the 'Danelaw. Neat idea, but yeah. That's a ten-years-from-now device for spread and common acceptance. The rest of the stuff's pretty sweet, though.

Would the EU collapsing be too dystopian? Because I'm feeling bitter and pulling that heaving edifice apart even in fiction would make me smile. Or at least falling back to a more loosely associated Economic Community.....

An outright collapse, and the economic & political havoc that would cause would be too dystopian, yeah. I could see the EU either saying "fuck it" and reverting to the EEC or maybe actually biting the bullet and federalizing properly instead of this half-assed creature they've got now.

What would happen if some 'Dane nation asked to join the Convention?

Pundits and bloggers the world over would shit themselves in terror, glee or terrified glee. Beyond that I'd have to know more about the nation in question - they'd shift the demographic makeup of the Convention for one thing, and that would have all sorts of knock-on effects.
Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery

FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information

"I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!"

[ECSNorway]

EU Collapsing: The EU's "unity" is an illusion anyway, perpetrated by rival groups of Franco-Germanic Imperialists. It would either collapse under its own weight into pre-EEC nationalism or attempt to federalize and find half its governments embracing the result, and the other half telling it to go shove itself.

Daneside nation joining the Convention: Depends. Do you mean some third-world nobody like Somalia, or something second-world and major like the Ukraine or Yemen? I don't see any first-world countries, except maybe Australia, making the jump, unless the USA balkanizes. Which isn't out of the question, but I don't think it's going to happen that quickly.
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Proof positive that with sufficient motivation, you can make anything explode.

[Dartz]

The Euro itself is going to fall apart, it's going to go anyway it's just a matter of time. That aspidistra has to stop flying eventually, and when that goes and the individual currencies come back with a bang, it's going to be a mess. There will be winners and losers and once one goes, it'll be a rush to get out the door. The regulation at the centre falls apart as some of the treaties governing the Euro itself become.... surplus to requirements and the EU has to re-organise itself to account for all the mess (And its much reduced budget). It still calls itself the EU, still has a president... but is closer to the 1980's EEC and declining in influence over individual states.

Some poor bastard gets left with the economic legacy of it all. A few banks fail after Greece Bankrupts..... several banks follow since they're owed very large Euro amounts, and the Euro rapidly devalues as it collapses. Anybody owed Euros is going to be rather annoyed......

It'd still be a wild ride but what comes out at the end would be better than the car crash that's left now. The PIGS can probably do well out of it if they play their cards right. The succinct argument for abandoning the Euro that's does the rounds in newspapers here is that it would allow us to print money and devalue out of a recession and either get people spending or get money/investment coming in rather than grind the economy down.

But I don't know anything about economics.....
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[Ace Dreamer]

Would the EU collapsing be too dystopian? Because I'm feeling bitter and pulling that heaving edifice apart even in fiction would make me smile. Or at least falling back to a more loosely associated Economic Community.....

On a slightly related note -but instead of multinational groups collapsing, the opposite: What would happen if some 'Dane nation asked to join the Convention?
It would likely a smallish one, one (former) developing or even third world nation that joined the developed world -maybe even the democratic world-thanks to the society and economic changes brought by Handwavium.

How about: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East_Timor
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"It is the business of the future to be dangerous" - Hawkwind

[Ace Dreamer]

OK, cue mushy-tech revolution. All with handwavium strains that became well distributed.

* "Grey Pane" solar panels that turn 90% of the incident radiation falling on them, from IR through the visible spectrum to UV, into usable electrical energy. These are waved conventional solar panels. This meant people could make their own power cheaper than it could be generated and distributed centrally. The grid was still useful for evening-out power loads, though.

You could easily skip the UV part... not much energy available around our sun anyways Near infrared is much more interesting.

Might be interesting to know the quirks of this strain.

Hardtech cells are most likely at ~40-50% anyways in 2020.

No point in wasting that UV.  I'd say that if you are close to them (say within ten feet), in sunlight, and you aren't wearing polarised glasses, your attention becomes drawn to the panel and you zone-out, until the sun goes away, or you are forcibly distracted (enough hunger or thirst will do this).  I'd be surprised if hard tech cells in general production exceed 30% by 2020 ( and you still need to cool and keep the panels clean).

* "Super Batteries" are a combination of Lithium-Ion
batteries and Super Capacitors with a waved processor, and can store
ridiculous amounts of power. Most people turn to an electrical
technician to put it all together. This meant people could store solar
power for use at night, cloudy conditions, or even the long periods of
darkness near the Poles, meaning they needed no other source of power.

Without waving the battery/capacitor, I cannot see how this should increase the capacity...

Hopefully fixed.

HRogge wrote:

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* "Aqua Clean" is an electrically-powered handwavium filter
which will take the most polluted water (including sea water, and
sewage) and produce clean water for drinking.

Hardtech filters (based on Graphen?) will do half of the job (filtering
our anything but water)... but the waver versions might add the
necessary salts to make it drinkable.

Price is the big reason  - adding salts is best left to later; pure water is useful for all sorts of things.

HRogge wrote:

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Then there is the "Magic Wardrobe" that measures people,
makes (non-designer) clothes of almost any sort for them (including
shoes), and also cleans clothes and repair and re-dyes old clothes to
new; needs rags, scrap leather, waste plastic, metal scrap.

Hmm... I think this one should be highly quirked.

Fashion quirk added.  The other ones are probably more to do with you accurately specifying what you want.  If it was hard tech this would be nanotech and an expert system.

HRogge wrote:

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The "Doc Phone" which tracked its owners medical state, and made an emergency call generally early enough people could be effectively treated.

Where is the need of Handwavium with this one?

There is hard-tech that can check blood oxygenation, heart beat, and blood sugar, just by using an accelerometer and analysing the IR from the ear.  The wave adds delicate checks of hormone levels and other markers in the blood, stress on the immune system.  Fixed (I hope).

HRogge wrote:

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The "Kanzashi", a small worn ornament, maybe in your hair,
which contains (part of) a friendly AI who cares about you, will talk to
you when you are lonely, enjoys your interests, and wants you to, and
works towards, you having a fun life. Called the "IThink" by the more
cynical. This has greatly reduced rates of depression across the world.
Taking someones Kanzashi is a human rights violation in more
enlightened places. These AIs are linked to phones, and are backed-up
so destroying their physical part only looses their short-term memories.
For some reason the standard versions of these don't work if taken to a
height above Terra beyond about 50mls.

Hmm...

I've got to have some fun, or I'll start taking myself too seriously. [grin]
Fixed, so it is only (mostly) the Japanese.
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[M Fnord]

EU stuff

My main concern here is if we let the Eurozone just fly apart like that it's going to drag the entire planet down into a full-blown depression with it. Kind of against our first principles, y'know?
Mr. Fnord interdimensional man of mystery

FenWiki - Your One-Stop Shop for Fenspace Information

"I. Drink. Your. NERDRAGE!"

[Ace Dreamer]

EU stuff

My main concern here is if we let the Eurozone just fly apart like that it's going to drag the entire planet down into a full-blown depression with it. Kind of against our first principles, y'know?

Say that the EU still exists, but that there are loads of new currencies (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitcoin , and even weirder stuff) which combined with mushy-tech strong encryption are really upsetting the EU governments?
Also, try looking-up "Unwirer" by Charles Stross (and Cory D.) for really upsetting the telecos...
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"It is the business of the future to be dangerous" - Hawkwind

[Rakhasa]

In our non-dystopian setting, the Euro probably would not break -The Euro breaking into its original currecies would be an economic disaster by itself, so it would only happen of the economic situation was even worse. Notice that even now in our current crisis, no european nation (as opposed to the ever shriller press) is even considering to leave the Euro. Sicen we are triing to avoit such dystopia, the Euro survives -and honestly, moving towards unified currencies is sort into the whole "future space opera" setting (there is a reason fen use the Credit as their currency...)

But for it to remain stable the Central Bank must reform somehow, and start to work for all the economies in the union, insted of just the richest ones. Oh, god, even more bureaucracy. Let's use the powers of Handwavium for Good! Since bureaucratic thinking is anathema for handwavium tech, let's say European nations and institutions have gone through a darwinist process: The ones who remained mired in the old dinosaur, have been left in the dust, while the ones who changed have flourished. The EU looks the same at first sight, but it actally has been changing non stop, despite all the best efforts of the politicians. The Neptune ESA expedition is the perfect example, as in the old EU the idea would have burned and crashed years before they even got to the ship construction.

For the nation to join the fenspace, I have not even begun to research for a proper candidate, because I wanted to test the waters with the rest of you first. My starting idea would be a small and unimportant nation, (once) poor but that had completely changeds in one generation tnaks to the coming of the wave (er... dear lord, it's already been almost one generation since the wave...) Small, not only to prevent too drastic demographic chaneges, but also because gettign a nation in the tens of millinon to vote for the Convention (it comes without saying that the convention would only accept a full democratic vote) is several orders of magnitude harder.

And talking about demographics, we should think about changing then. As the end of the last season, we had 1,500,000 people. But that was also the end of the "setting up shop" phase of the colonization: Most of the basic infraestructure is done, and everything was ready for a population explosion. By 2022 we should have, at least, twice that, and maybe even up to 5 (or even ten!) million people living in the Solar System.

Not many people will move to an empty, unhabitabe planet. But 2015 Helium or Kandor? Full, beautiful cities, with homes, jobs, shops, pubs and cinemas? Those aren't savage wildernesses, they are incredibly exotic destinations.

[robkelk]

Certainly, there will be people moving to Fenspace. There will also be people moving from Fenspace, and people moving from faction to faction. (A civil libertarian would be more comfortable in the VVS than in StellviaCorp, while an entrepreneur would be more comfortable in StellviaCorp than in the VVS, for example.)

Who's going to move "up"? (Most folks like living where they are; it takes a certain amount of wanderlust or desperation to move permanently.) As of 2012, Fenspace is primarily middle-class Western (and, one is tempted to add, white - which is why I specifically made Serenity I non-white). Will that continue to be the case? Why or why not?
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012