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 JakeGrey Wrote:In fact, I wonder if there aren't a few good stories in an Upwards brain drain, with a greater and greater percentage of the young, ambitious and well-educated leaving for better opportunities spaceside and leaving their home nations with just those too poor, too stubborn or too scared to leave. This sounds devastatingly familiar. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? 
Yeah, I thought that might resonate with you. In fact I'd always assumed it played a role in motivating the Ciara's crew to go Up in the first place.
I wonder if the fact the English are getting screwed over in much the same way now would make them feel better or worse.  JakeGrey Wrote:And then at the other end of the spectrum (sort of), we have Occupy... or not, because a huge chunk of them would be going Up as well. And not just to the VVS or the Federation, because you'd be surprised how much some of the people I met at an Occupy protest agreed with the saner original-flavour Teabaggers on.Oh, yes - Occupy. That was a fun little thread. http://drunkardswalkforums.yuku.com/topic/8644 JakeGrey Wrote:In fact, I wonder if there aren't a few good stories in an Upwards brain drain, with a greater and greater percentage of the young, ambitious and well-educated leaving for better opportunities spaceside and leaving their home nations with just those too poor, too stubborn or too scared to leave."The meek shall inherit the earth. The rest of us will go to the stars." -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
Some of you guys had an unduly harsh view of the movement, I must say. I spent several weeks at one of those camps (not entirely of my own free will; it's a long story and I don't really want to talk about it) and most of them were decent, well-intentioned if often slightly naive people who just wanted to make the world a bit less shit. With the exception of the IT guy who bragged about semi-legally scamming people as a business model, the 9/11 truther and that guy who turned up with some bongo drums I'd colonise an asteroid in the Belt with those folks any day.
Hmmm. I'll add that to the ideas folder.
Well, Noah is part of the 1%... but I thought I was writing the other Stellvians with a more balanced point of view.
-- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 
Of the occupy crowd in my area, most of them were here from out of town because they had been run out of those cities and were mostly socialists in the Marxist/Maoist mold.
To many times i heard the comment, "Why should i work when my parents or society can just give it to me.
Oh, Lord, I just burned out of a very similar argument on Spacebattles...
Let's just say that my willingness to believe in the dignity of labour did not survive contact with a minimum-wage job.
These are people who known the current situation is broken in some way, have a possible idea of what the solution might be, but just lack the consciousness to fully think through how it's supposed to work. A lot of people recognise that the current market economy is broken, and is very deliberately being stacked against them. Capitalism works when everyone at least has the illusion of a fair chance of success, but now they find it harder and harder to build a foundation on which to even start from.
The Soviet Union was an interesting experiment that maybe happened a little bit too early to really work - a lot of the big-data technology a central planned system would need didn't really come about until the 80's or 90's. Never mind the fact that the Soviet Union was hobbled at the start by having to rebuild WW2 while America for all intents an purposes skated through with the majority of its natural infrastructure intact, most of its industry unbombed and most of its vital demographics intact. It had some interesting ideas - a soviet citizen had the right to a job, for example. If you want to contribute - there's a job you can do right there that'll feed your family. Build that canal. It'd be interesting to see how a centrally planned economy would work, with the access to the levels of data Facebook and the like can provide. Target are already capable of decting pregnancies before the mother can.... (The Chilean Cybersyn from the 70's was an interesting idea in this regard). ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? 
... but maybe it can be discussed in another thread, please?
-- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. 
...You know, I have to point out, if you are using my name for this, you seem to be missing the second y in Happerry. (Though I don't think I've ever given evidence as being Gonzo as this politican seems to be) Also this really makes me wish I had enough writing skill (and more importantly sustainable motivational energy) to actually get into fenspace when it was getting going... besides that traveling bookshop keeper character that I don't think anyone ever did anything with.
Oops.
Any ideas for a different name that lets us keep the "sue-happy" nickname? -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 Quote:robkelk wrote:'Happersen,' maybe? DC has a LexCorp employee by that name. Also, here's a list of surnames starting with Hap that might serve, including 'Happenny' and 'Happey.' "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity, but don't rule out malice." -- Heinlein's Razor
"Happey" would slot in nicely...
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