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The Price of Gas...
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is now $3.79/gallon for unleaded ARCO 87 grade (which is the cheapest). The most expensive for 87 grade $4.49/gallon for Chevron. How long before is goes $5.00?
__________________ Into terror!, Into valour! Charge ahead! No! Never turn Yes, it's into the fire we fly And the devil will burn! - Scarlett Pimpernell 
One month. Tops. 6 Dollars by Summer. 7 by fall.
Not at least if things in Gaddafi-ville don't get straightened out in a hurry. There's the defining difference between Bush and Obama. Had this happened while Bush was in office still you could bet we'd be sending troops into Libiya. Obama, however, seems intent to let the UN handle this one... though I'm sure we all wish the UN would take a more proactive role. At least start making food and medicine drops.
 ordnance11 Wrote:is now $3.79/gallon for unleaded ARCO 87 grade (which is the cheapest).Wow - just where is it that cheap? Around here, 87 octane is $1.20/l , or $4.54/gal... and we've got it good compared to a lot of places. -- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012 
Around, here about a €1.50 a litre of petrol, €1.44 for diesel.
And consider that the the euro's equivelant to 1.4 dollars or thereabouts right now that works out at roughly the equivelant of about $7.95 a gallon. (1.50 * 1.4 * 3.79). ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? 
I'm all for higher gas prices in america, maybe it will finally motivate us to better fund out public transport systems (it's rare that a US city has anything close to what I would consider *good* public transit). America has it cheap compared to other countries. Granted, we are also a lot more spread out than other countries, but we can do a whole lot better than we have been doing.
The last time gas prices shot up I also saw a lot more people carpool into work, and I fail to see how that is a bad thing. -Terry ----- "so listen up boy, or pornography starring your mother will be the second worst thing to happen to you today" TF2: Spy 
I could descend so readily into Politics forum-level vitriol here.
Let's just say that in 2012 there WILL be a lot of opportunistic SOBs that will _say_ they can make gas cheap, if only they're elected... If I go any further in identifying them... well... ''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.'' -- James Nicoll 
The biggest problem being that this is absolutely hell on the logistics system. It is not unheard of for people to commute nearly an hour to work in some parts of the US. This also really wrecks fuel prices for over the road transportation, especially among owner/operators of their own trucks.
- Grumpy Uncle Gearhead 
Rising gas prices leave me annoyed that the thermal depolymerization alternative energy craze guttered out. Take ANYTHING that is even vaguely organic, add water, shove it through a blender and then stick it in a pressure cooker; what comes out the far side is natural gas (which can be sent back to the pressure cooker to heat the next batch), pure water, various grades of oil and some fertilizer.
The process wasn't particularly cheap, but it meant that America wouldn't have had to drill for oil anymore and would never have had to build another sewage treatment plant or landfill ever again, as we'd have been turning our crap and junk (two things that we're great at producing) into an endless supply of oil. ---------------------------------------------------- "Anyone can be a winner if their definition of victory is flexible enough." - The DM of the Rings XXXV sweno Wrote:I'm all for higher gas prices in america, maybe it will finally motivate us to better fund out public transport systems Pah! That was the exact reasoning the Green party used when they upped fuel duties here. The idea being that it'll save Carbon Dioxide and polar bears won't boil, while encouraging people to use public transport, and paying for that. .... if anything, the number of buses and trains in service has gone down since the new rates were introduced. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig? Dartz Wrote:This is because you can't cut diesel with anything and not ruinate a diesel engine. Buses and Trains run on diesel, which is much more vulnerable to crude spikes than the gasoline that goes into an automobile. This all loops back into the logistics chain as well, driving up the price of shuttling goods from one place to another, which in turn drives up the price of everything else.Quote:if anything, the number of buses and trains in service has gone down since the new rates were introduced. Seriously, go take a look at the price of diesel fuel some time. Your average fleet driver runs a 200 gallon capacity and will run that dry in a day. Owner/operators often have 400 gallon capacity tanks to provide for more flexibility while driving (not being in a fleet means not getting the best deals on diesel). - Grumpy Uncle Gearhead
These are State-run buses... Dublin Bus, CIE are all semi-state companies and aren't required to turn a profit. They are (in theory) partially funded by the same taxes. Diesel oil is already taxed much lighter than petrol, and so is naturally cheaper here anyway.
Hauliers though, are pitching a fit... especially because unlicensed hauliers are undercutting them by not charging VAT and using un-taxed red-diesel. Licensed haulage companies are demanding a tax rebate. ________________________________ --m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig?  Quote:Wow - just where is it that cheap?Where is it that expensive? The highest price I saw for regular grade while driving today -- about 200 miles' worth, up and down New Jersey -- was $3.35 a gallon. -- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak. 
It's $3.39 for the cheapest grade, here in the west USA, Bob. I'm not looking forward to summer. As-is I'm already squeezing the ten-cents-off deal the grocery store offers every chance I get. (Spend $100 on groceries, get ten cents off per gallon at the pump.)
I'm glad I drive a car that gets 35 MPG, too. My boss gets maybe 10 out of his huge ego-mobile (Chrysler 300, "street racing" version), and he's already feeling the pinch. --sofaspud --"Listening to your kid is the audio equivalent of a Salvador Dali painting, Spud." --OpMegs Berk Wrote:It is not unheard of for people to commute nearly an hour to work in some parts of the US.Good, maybe that will encourage people to start living in the goddamn cities again, like they should be. ----------------- Epsilon
Here in the Twin Cities area, it about $3.50 for 87, but they've been pushing the 85 stuff pretty hard... this is the area where they're making the bio-fuel.
_____ DEATH is Certain. The hour, Uncertain... Epsilon Wrote:The trouble with that is the cost of living and space. Most people that live in the cities are either obscenely-wealthy (apartment high-rise living) or dirt-poor (tennement and projects living). Not much in between for people with at least some money and kids to house.Berk Wrote:It is not unheard of for people to commute nearly an hour to work in some parts of the US.Good, maybe that will encourage people to start living in the goddamn cities again, like they should be. Really, I think that the best short-term solution is a better hybrid. It's been shown already that direct-drive wheel-motors with regenerative brakes feeding in and from a 1 farad capacitor is remarkably effective. Add a lawnmower engine and a reasonable sized battery-bank, and your good to go for a long haul of about 900 miles on one tank.
That only postpones the problem. What needs to happen is getting people out of the culture of entitlement - you do not "need" your own yard, the playground in the middle of the block is plenty of room for your children to play in; you do not "need" your own car, efficient mass transit (buses and LRT) will get you where you need to go; and so on. (Yes, this assumes the existence of public green space and efficient mass transit... so those need to be built first.) And there's no reason affordable high-rises can't be built - developers do not "need" to make huge profits, they can make small profits instead.
-- Rob Kelk "Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of the same sovereign, servants of the same law." - Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012
That requires a complete reworking of society, and a turnaround of a concept which began to develop in the 19th century. I, for one, do not think that ANY society is capable of altering in five years a change that took over a hundred years to truly come into realization. The US infrastructure is simply not set up to handle this sort of a radical reworking, and the underpinnings of what would have helped to offset it were deliberately dismantled at the turn of the previous century.
Sudden, radical change in a society is the political, economic and sociological equivalent of throwing a vase out of a fourth story window. - Grumpy Uncle Gearhead Epsilon Wrote:Oh, but I do. Unfortunately, the city I *live* in doesn't have a job for me that pays well enough for me to live here; the city I *work* in is too expensive for me to live in. It's nowhere near as implausible as it sounds, and I'm hardly unusual.Berk Wrote:It is not unheard of for people to commute nearly an hour to work in some parts of the US.Good, maybe that will encourage people to start living in the goddamn cities again, like they should be. Just to add icing to the cake, there is *no* mass transit between the two. Not even Greyhound, if you consider that mass transit. Is it a lousy situation? Sure! But it's also nowhere near as clear-cut as "live in the goddamn cities", either. --sofaspud --"Listening to your kid is the audio equivalent of a Salvador Dali painting, Spud." --OpMegs 
In Los Angeles the average price is $3.80 -$4.00 for 87 octane
Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky? That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry- NO QUARTER!!! -- "No Quarter", by Echo's Children
Los Angeles: a prime example of a city where "live in the city you work in" doesn't do a lick of good on cutting fuel consumption per capita.
''We don't just borrow words; on occasion, English has pursued other languages down alleyways to beat them unconscious and rifle their pockets for new vocabulary.'' -- James Nicoll
Los Angeles isn't a city. Los Angeles is a small, densely-populated country that thinks it's a city.
-- Bob --------- Then the horns kicked in... ...and my shoes began to squeak.
... Yes, we do resemble that remark. Very much so.
Hear that thunder rolling till it seems to split the sky? That's every ship in Grayson's Navy taking up the cry- NO QUARTER!!! -- "No Quarter", by Echo's Children Berk Wrote:The biggest problem being that this is absolutely hell on the logistics system. It is not unheard of for people to commute nearly an hour to work in some parts of the US. This also really wrecks fuel prices for over the road transportation, especially among owner/operators of their own trucks.Start's ticking off places..let's see..greater San Diego Area, Greater Los Angeles Area, greater San Francisco area (did I miss anything on the west coast?), Dallas-Forth Worth area, Birmingham-Tuscalaloosa-Motngomery area, Atlanta area, the entire north east corridor area. Did I miss anything? __________________ Into terror!, Into valour! Charge ahead! No! Never turn Yes, it's into the fire we fly And the devil will burn! - Scarlett Pimpernell |
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