Trump news the second

[Black Aeronaut]

What has me worried the most is that now both the House and the Senate are in Republican hands. The Supreme Court is likely to follow soon.

Gentlemen, the Republican Party will soon have all but total control of our government. And with Trump at the head of it all.

[robkelk]

What has me worried the most is that now both the House and the Senate are in Republican hands. The Supreme Court is likely to follow soon.

Gentlemen, the Republican Party will soon have all but total control of our government. And with Trump at the head of it all.

Isn't "the executive, legislative, and judicial branches are all under the control of one person" one of those cases that Republicans love to use to justify the Second Amendment?
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Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[Bob Schroeck]

Only when that one person isn't a Republican. Remember, there's always a different rule for Republicans than for Democrats.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.

[Morganite]

Isn't "the executive, legislative, and judicial branches are all under the control of one person" one of those cases that Republicans love to use to justify the Second Amendment?

No.

Or at least, all the hostile-government related scenarios I've heard of were not dependent on whether or not any members of the federal government had been thrown into an oubliette, just on what things were being done on a local level.

Also, has no one ever voted against a sitting president of their party before? Yeah, a sitting president has an advantage here, but it doesn't mean they've all been replaced with Trump-bots.

-Morgan.

[Valles]

It has happened and does happen.
But given the utterly shameful way the Republican members of the House and Senate knowingly enabled, say, his contemptible treatment of the Khans, I'm not optimistic.
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"V, did you do something foolish?"
"Yes, and it was glorious."

[ordnance11]

GethN7 wrote:

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Just stopping by to say that yes, while I supported Trump, I refuse to gloat over those who voted Hillary or third party.

You voted your conscience no matter what, and I respect everyone who did that.

If anything, I just hope Trump lives up to his hype and proves as competent as he claimed he'd be.

You will excuse me if I am cynical if that hope will be validated? Why? Because if my fears come to pass, I will not be disappointed (plus the odd pleasure of seeing my fears borne fruit). And if it does not happen it becomes a pleasant surprise. What did David Drake once wrote? Oh, yes. "For every silver lining, a dark cloud,  for every calm, the oncoming storm."
I'll just focus on one topic that probably will go wrong in the medium future (4-6 year time frame). The economy. What you are going to see is the GOP decide to go back to the economic regulatory state of affairs prior to the great recession. In short anything goes. What government spending there will be will probably go to the military and hopefully infrastructure repair. But that would probably mean privatization of the road network. So what I am predicting is that another boom and bust cycle. Trump may or may not achieve 4 percent growth by 2020. Which the GOP will trumpet as their crowning achievement. Then the bust begins. How severe I won't forecast. But considering the last depression was under a GOP president, I would not surprised if a repeat of the great recession, if not a full blown depression does occur.
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Into terror!,  Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell

[ordnance11]

Rajvik wrote:

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Like GethN7 I am not going to gloat, I knew after the convention that it would be a tight race no matter which way it went. I will own this President's actions knowing that I helped put him in office. Now the places have effectively been flipped from 2008, let us see what happens.

As I said in my last post in a nutshell, hope for the best and prepare for the worse. Next year's home improvement project was supposed to be a fence. Now it's a fence and a bomb shelter. Because if Trump kicks off a nuclear exchange, my house is 6 fricking miles from center of D.C! And if that happens my thought will be this:
Told you so!
If you want a test of what Trump will do, look to the lawsuit against Trump U. He already wanted the judge thrown out because he was of Mexican descent. If he allows the rule of law to proceed, well and good. If he decides to get it dropped, one way or the other, welcome to the new 3rd World country. where strong men can bend the laws to suit them.
And let's see if the Brexit analogy holds. Because Brexit is going to messy as hell. 
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Into terror!,  Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell

[ordnance11]

Morganite wrote:

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robkelk wrote:

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Isn't "the executive, legislative, and judicial branches are all under the control of one person" one of those cases that Republicans love to use to justify the Second Amendment?

No.

Or at least, all the hostile-government related scenarios I've heard of were not dependent on whether or not any members of the federal government had been thrown into an oubliette, just on what things were being done on a local level.

Also, has no one ever voted against a sitting president of their party before? Yeah, a sitting president has an advantage here, but it doesn't mean they've all been replaced with Trump-bots.

-Morgan.

What the Hill Republicans are salivating over is that Trump is  not going to be interested in the day to day governing of the country. He'll just sign what's in front of him. Unintended consequences be dammed. What you are going to see the GOP attempt what they tried in Kansas and Louisiana.
And let's see who the new Attorney General is going to be: Chris Christie or Rudy Guiliani? Because either one means "Welcome to the 1950's"
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Into terror!,  Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell

[Rajvik]

Ordinance there has always been a boom and bust, it's the way the cycle works, the Soviets proved that you can not have government mandated mediocrity and maintain a healthy working system. There will be periods where everything is going fine and then something, maybe internal, like an election or external like the end of a war that causes an economic slowdown. It's life, get used to it
 

[ordnance11]

Rajvik wrote:

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Ordinance there has always been a boom and bust, it's the way the cycle works, the Soviets proved that you can not have government mandated mediocrity and maintain a healthy working system. There will be periods where everything is going fine and then something, maybe internal, like an election or external like the end of a war that causes an economic slowdown. It's life, get used to it

So are you fine with the boom and busts 1930's era style?  We were going to have that in 2008, if Obama did not take extraordinary measures to mitigate it. If you're fine with that sort of severity, more power to you. I am definitely not the type to condone shenanigans like what Wells Fargo or Enron did. Or the entire banking industry leading up to it. I recommend getting this book for the background.
Let me explain what those quote "slowdowns" did to my life:
Reagan recession: Just came back from the army. Was going to college. My family went under and couldn't pay the mortgage and lost the house? Ever tried going to college while being homeless? I'm pretty sure BA would understand. I understood what he was going through.
Bush II great recession: No home though I had a decent job. Lost that and guess what no jobs in sight. June of 2008 to August of 2010. Had to move all the way to Alabama of all places to get a job.
Now I'm happy to say I'm somewhat insulated. I have a federal job from which I have job security. I have a house in a location where housing prices are not going to fall off a cliff. And you? Better be a trust fund baby or independently wealthy. Otherwise, better pray Trump is the water walker he says he is. In any case you have 4-6 years to make hay. Then the cows come home.
Edit: You forgot the cause of the 2008 great depression:  Unmitigated greed! And it wasn't a slowdown. It was a fricking crash! If the auto bailout had not occurred, you would have seen 800,00 jobs wiped out. So you want to tell me you're fine with that?
__________________
Into terror!,  Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell

[Morganite]

You know, there's one thing I'm still wondering about, even if it's probably moot now. How were things going with Sanders supporters near the end? Even right before the convention I was hearing about them still being pretty unhappy with Clinton, but then it just kind of stopped. I didn't hear about a reconciliation, nor was there a trailing off... it just stopped. Anyone know anything more about how that played out?

-Morgan.

[ordnance11]

Morganite wrote:

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You know, there's one thing I'm still wondering about, even if it's probably moot now. How were things going with Sanders supporters near the end? Even right before the convention I was hearing about them still being pretty unhappy with Clinton, but then it just kind of stopped. I didn't hear about a reconciliation, nor was there a trailing off... it just stopped. Anyone know anything more about how that played out?

-Morgan.

One of two things based on the polling data: Either they decided not to vote or they voted for Trump. Considering the turnout, more likely the latter.
__________________
Into terror!,  Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell

[robkelk]

As I said in my last post in a nutshell, hope for the best and prepare for the worse. Next year's home improvement project was supposed to be a fence. Now it's a fence and a bomb shelter. Because if Trump kicks off a nuclear exchange, my house is 6 fricking miles from center of D.C!

You're that close to a target? Don't waste your money on a bomb shelter - it won't do you any good.

(We don't bother with them in Ottawa, either - and we're a somewhat less-attractive target than D.C. is.)
--
Rob Kelk
"Governments have no right to question the loyalty of those who oppose
them. Adversaries remain citizens of the same state, common subjects of
the same sovereign, servants of the same law."

- Michael Ignatieff, addressing Stanford University in 2012

[LynnInDenver]

robkelk wrote:

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ordnance11 wrote:

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As I said in my last post in a nutshell, hope for the best and prepare for the worse. Next year's home improvement project was supposed to be a fence. Now it's a fence and a bomb shelter. Because if Trump kicks off a nuclear exchange, my house is 6 fricking miles from center of D.C!

You're that close to a target? Don't waste your money on a bomb shelter - it won't do you any good.

(We don't bother with them in Ottawa, either - and we're a somewhat less-attractive target than D.C. is.)

I live in Denver... we're probably close enough to a potential target - under 100 miles - that a bomb shelter wouldn't do much good for us either.
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"You know how parents tell you everything's going to fine, but you know they're lying to make you feel better? Everything's going to be fine." - The Doctor

[ordnance11]

You're that close to a target? Don't waste your money on a bomb shelter - it won't do you any good

Don't you mean  right at ground zero?  Because all of D.C is one big fat target. You got the White House, Pentagon and Andrews AFB in  the same area. When you have enough warheads, why not go for overkill? I expect at least 2-5 megaton multiple MIRV's.  Whether the shelter does any good depends on the day or time of the day ICBM's gets launched. If it's late afternoon local or the weekend, it's useful. During the workday, well the workplace was designated as a shelter in the 50's so just go to the lowest level (how low I'm not gonna tell) and should be able to ride it out.  Unless they decided to launch a ground penetrator nuke. What happens after the strike is gonna be interesting.
__________________
Into terror!,  Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell

[ordnance11]

JFerio wrote:

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robkelk wrote:

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ordnance11 wrote:

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As I said in my last post in a nutshell, hope for the best and prepare for the worse. Next year's home improvement project was supposed to be a fence. Now it's a fence and a bomb shelter. Because if Trump kicks off a nuclear exchange, my house is 6 fricking miles from center of D.C!

You're that close to a target? Don't waste your money on a bomb shelter - it won't do you any good.

(We don't bother with them in Ottawa, either - and we're a somewhat less-attractive target than D.C. is.)

I live in Denver... we're probably close enough to a potential target - under 100 miles - that a bomb shelter wouldn't do much good for us either.

Colorado Springs....NORAD and Ft. Carson. Fairly close to Denver. If it's just Colorado Springs, fallout would be an issue. but there is Buckley AFB . It's important enough to warrant a warhead. So consider your hometown on the primary target list.
__________________
Into terror!,  Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell

[Bob Schroeck]

And the first indication of the tenor of Trump's administration emerges: http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/09/politics/ ... _expansion]Trump Campaign keeping list of enemies for later retaliation.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.

[Dartz]

I think the last one lasted a whole 12 years....

Wouldn't worry about it now. The second amendment folks, they'll know what to do.... Anyway, look at the pictures. The candid ones. He looks like a man who's just realised that he's nothing more than a hollow-suited pawn, the Oh Shit realisation that, no matter what happens, he is absolutely fucked. How did things go so absolutely, awfully right?

There is no good ending for Mr. Trump here.

At best, he'll be hated for the rest of his long life.
At worst, well, Pikadon's a sort of Pokemon isn't it?
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[ordnance11]

Bob Schroeck wrote:

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And the first indication of the tenor of Trump's administration emerges: Trump Campaign keeping list of enemies for later retaliation.

And that fraud case of trump u is being asked to pushed back on the account of his being president. Pretty soon, the DOJ will pressured by the AG of his to have the case dropped. There was a guy at NPR who more or less predicted that Trump had a good chance of being elected. Now he's saying the odds are good Trump will be impeached by the GOP within a year. I say let him serve all 4 years. That way we have a vivid contrast of before and after just to drive home the point to his supporters.
__________________
Into terror!,  Into valour!
Charge ahead! No! Never turn
Yes, it's into the fire we fly
And the devil will burn!
- Scarlett Pimpernell

[Dartz]

....what happens if he's impeached?

President Pence?
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--m(^0^)m-- Wot, no sig?

[Bob Schroeck]

Yeah, the true nightmare scenario.
-- Bob
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Then the horns kicked in...
...and my shoes began to squeak.

[DHBirr]

ordnance11 wrote:

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You're that close to a target? Don't waste your money on a bomb shelter - it won't do you any good

Don't you mean  right at ground zero?  Because all of D.C is one big fat target. You got the White House, Pentagon and Andrews AFB in  the same area. When you have enough warheads, why not go for overkill? I expect at least 2-5 megaton multiple MIRV's.  Whether the shelter does any good depends on the day or time of the day ICBM's gets launched. If it's late afternoon local or the weekend, it's useful. During the workday, well the workplace was designated as a shelter in the 50's so just go to the lowest level (how low I'm not gonna tell) and should be able to ride it out.  Unless they decided to launch a ground penetrator nuke. What happens after the strike is gonna be interesting.

Ummm, ordnance, who do you expect to be launching those ICBMs?  'Cause the Ivans are happy as clams with a Trump presidency, and he's perfectly fine with letting them run the Middle East, as long as we get a hefty share of the oil.  I doubt that China has anything that can reach all the way to Washington, unless it's launched from the Atlantic.  
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Big Brother is watching you.  And damn, you are so bloody BORING.

[Rajvik]

hahaha, no, I'm pretty damn sure the Chinese have knock offs of those Soviet truck mounted LRICBM just like they had knock offs of everything else in the Soviet arsenal, that said i don't think the Chinese would be likely to launch unless all hell broke loose on the Korean Peninsula or over those man made islands they have been militarizing in the East China Sea. That of course is assuming that they don't have silo mounted ICBMs (which i'm also pretty damn sure they have)

Do i have evidence of this, no. But i do believe it to be true simply because they aren't so stupid to not have parity with the other two big cheeses at the nuclear table.
 

[nemonowan]

Now, let's be honest here. Trump's victory was NOT because everyone who voted for him is a racist misogynic homophobic bully, like many pundits would have you believe.
But unfortunately those dubious qualities were reflected in his speeches and mannerisms, and have been inextricably associated with his campaign in the minds of both detractors and supporters.
And now the ugly segment who actively cultivate that attitude is crawling out of the woodwork, just like in Britain after Brexit:
http://www.rawstory.com/2016/11/welcome ... s-growing/
(Not that the losing side doesn't have it's own nasty elements:http://www.infowars.com/shock-video-bla ... ump-voter/http://edition.cnn.com/2016/11/11/us/or ... test-riot/)

[Morganite]

There was at one point in the campaign a great deal of concern that Trump would try to launch a first strike at someone or other because, I don't know, a mosquito had bit him or something.

Right around then, TIME Online had an article putting together everything Trump had said about nuclear weapons and their use, and it did not really provide any support for that view of the man, but that didn't seem to slow anyone down.

-Morgan.