We've seen Ranma get drugged, by Kodachi, among others; he can certainly be poisoned. If the delivery mechanism kills a few hundred bystanders as well, so be it. Governments are quite willing to tolerate collateral damage.
It would certainly require extreme levels of overkill, but challenge the sovereignty of a state on its home territory and that's what you can expect. In extremis, the state can go to any lengths to win, even if the victory is phyrric.
However, for the same reason as the US is not vulnerable to miltary coups, such a conflict will never arise. Thus, the possibility of it will have no discernable impact on the ficverse. It need not be considered.
Threats by groups outside society - other nations, other dimensions, secret conspiracies - are a different matter,
and should have a significant impact.
Among other problems, how do you control places where you aren't? If you don't, your secular power is limited to a small area. You need leadership and organisational skills, not a standard part of the martial artist toolkit. (You also need to be smart enough not to become a puppet of your grand vizier.)
I won't deny it takes a little handwaving to draw this line, but it's not a show stopper.
They're transcendent beings, beyond human comprehension; manifesting three mutually inconsistent avatars is a triviality for them.
Still, it is much better when the writer puts the extra effort in, and shows and the Chronos conspiracy would affect Sailor Moon, and vice versa.
What you're criticising, here and earlier, is bad writing, not an inherent weakness in all crossovers.
Nor does he normally go looking for magical trouble, before it affects him or his friends, though that might be because trouble finds him first.
Real world programmes can cross over without any trouble - West Wing with ER with Fraisier with Dallas, but more than one same genre series causes problems because of incompatibilities in the ground rules, such as those you describe. (The Cthulhu mythos is an exception, since Elder Gods aren't expected to play by the normal rules.)
Ranma is far enough from Sailor Moon in genre that each of them could exist in the others world. The only problem is why they don't notice each other, a much smaller problem than two incompatible rule sets for vampires.
However, a good enough writer can make almost anything work. You say kludge; I say world-building, when done right.
There's one story where someone jumps into the Star Trek universe, and warp drive stops working. It turns out that the Trekverse was created when they jumped into it, and is becoming real inside a bubble centred on them, expanding at the speed of light. When the ships tried to go faster than light, they ran into the edge of the universe.
A similar effect with time travel would be moderately strong evidence of a faked past.
Ultimately though, it comes down to what it means to be real. I take the view that if you can worry about if you're real, you are. It doesn't matter that the universe creator, in-story, was a plagiarist - the people in it are no less real.
It would certainly require extreme levels of overkill, but challenge the sovereignty of a state on its home territory and that's what you can expect. In extremis, the state can go to any lengths to win, even if the victory is phyrric.
However, for the same reason as the US is not vulnerable to miltary coups, such a conflict will never arise. Thus, the possibility of it will have no discernable impact on the ficverse. It need not be considered.
Threats by groups outside society - other nations, other dimensions, secret conspiracies - are a different matter,
and should have a significant impact.
Quote:Turning physical might into secular power isn't that easy.
the people with the real power also gather as much secular power as they please.
Among other problems, how do you control places where you aren't? If you don't, your secular power is limited to a small area. You need leadership and organisational skills, not a standard part of the martial artist toolkit. (You also need to be smart enough not to become a puppet of your grand vizier.)
Quote:True, but not at random. There are extenuating circumstances, typically personal involvement. A line can be drawn that puts canonical Ranma interference on one side and stopping Jadeite on the other.
"Interfering in someone else's challenge is just not done"? Pshaw. Every main character in Ranma 1/2 does it multiple times.
I won't deny it takes a little handwaving to draw this line, but it's not a show stopper.
Quote:A god can have a monster as one of its avatars, or even another god. Nor do the avatars have to be aware of each other. Thus, in some versions of Hinduism, all the gods are avatars of one god, and yet are still independent personalities, with separate minds.
Off-hand note: the Orochi isn't really a god; it's a legendary monster, like the Hydra. T
They're transcendent beings, beyond human comprehension; manifesting three mutually inconsistent avatars is a triviality for them.
Quote:Crossovers can quietly amend canon, when convenient. The current ice age began a few million years ago, when there were already proto-humans around. Putting Arkanphel's origin then won't affect any of the present day events.
Arkanphel doesn't date nearly as far back as you think, either.
Quote:Perhaps because Chaos hid them all from him, and vice versa. It's the kind of thing Chaos might well do, to set up a fight. Some slight alteration to Chaos's power and personality may be necessary, but nothing that would outright contradict canon.
Arkanphel and the Zoalords never respond to anything that happens in Sailor Moon
Still, it is much better when the writer puts the extra effort in, and shows and the Chronos conspiracy would affect Sailor Moon, and vice versa.
What you're criticising, here and earlier, is bad writing, not an inherent weakness in all crossovers.
Quote:Not what I said. He'll watch a martial arts duel (given no reason to interfere or personal interest) to observe the techniques used; he doesn't have that kind of professional interest in a magical duel.
None of this is outside Ranma's sphere of interest, either. Wherever did you get the idea he only fights martial artists? He's been tapped to deal with rogue gods and escaped demons
Nor does he normally go looking for magical trouble, before it affects him or his friends, though that might be because trouble finds him first.
Quote:Very true. It would be far easier to cross Ranma with Doctor Who - a very different genre - than with Street Fighter.
Very few series' can even smoothly crossover with one other series in the same genre without conflicts that require tricky explanations.
Real world programmes can cross over without any trouble - West Wing with ER with Fraisier with Dallas, but more than one same genre series causes problems because of incompatibilities in the ground rules, such as those you describe. (The Cthulhu mythos is an exception, since Elder Gods aren't expected to play by the normal rules.)
Ranma is far enough from Sailor Moon in genre that each of them could exist in the others world. The only problem is why they don't notice each other, a much smaller problem than two incompatible rule sets for vampires.
However, a good enough writer can make almost anything work. You say kludge; I say world-building, when done right.
Quote:Or the Nanban mirror.
As for the time travel device (you mean the Black Moon?)
There's one story where someone jumps into the Star Trek universe, and warp drive stops working. It turns out that the Trekverse was created when they jumped into it, and is becoming real inside a bubble centred on them, expanding at the speed of light. When the ships tried to go faster than light, they ran into the edge of the universe.
A similar effect with time travel would be moderately strong evidence of a faked past.
Ultimately though, it comes down to what it means to be real. I take the view that if you can worry about if you're real, you are. It doesn't matter that the universe creator, in-story, was a plagiarist - the people in it are no less real.