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A bunny or two.
 
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Quote: Jinx999 wrote:


Quote: ordnance11 wrote:

You can make the case of the drive the Abh uses to be an improvement over the dirtsiders. They do have a "third eye" which is similar to the
implants that jump pilots on the Vorkosigan uses..only much more better. They do need a wormhole to enter "planar space", but they can pop out of
it at any point of their choosing. I get the feeling from the anime that the United Mankind does not have an equivalent capability and need to go point to
point..which is probably the reason why the Abh where defending a wormhole point in Battleflag of the Stars.




As for the Abh being a bunch of imperialistic warmongers by Barrayan/Cetagandan standards..heheh. The Cetangandans conquered Barrayar in Pyotor's
Vorkorsigan's time and also did the same with the Marilac system in Mile's time. Aral Vorkorsigan conquered Komarr and was 2IC and later head of
the expedition to take Escobar. Both empires calling the Abh warmongers is like the kettle calling the pot black, no?




As far as I can tell, they both act in the same way - remember that the Gosroth was attacked in planar space - through a sord the UM had spent a
decade moving to range of a system. The Abh third eye is used to interface with their computers - which gives them a serious advantage when piloting. And I
was quite specific in calling the Abh imperialistic by Barrayar standards. Barrayar conquered Komarr because ortherwise they were stateigically f**ked and
another uninhabited world. The Abh fully intend to claim the entire galaxy and monopalise space travel. They may be less imperialistic than Cetenegans - I
don't know enough about them - but they make Barrayar look like Beta.


I remember the Gosroth being attacked in planar space..but forgot about the UM towing a sord into range..someone will have to explain on how you
can tow a space/time anomaly to me.

As for the Abh being less imperialistc than the Cetagandans..I'd say they're just as imperialistic as them. The Cetagandan Empire has 3 castes. The
ruling class are the haut. The warrior class are the ghem. The servitor class are the ba. And the ghem are dammed agressive.

The interesting about the Abh is that their method of conquest resembles Victorian England's mode (or the Tokugawa's) mode of imperialism. Day to day
affairs are left to their subjects.And no Abh occupiers. But the Abh has military control of the high ground. The Cetagandans do occupy their conquests. With
resulting frictions.

So as far as imperialistic urges go...I'd say the neighbors of all three empires would consider it only a matter of degree.
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