Obviously, the outline above is a very rough fisrt approximmation with numerous continuity errors and spots where the logic doesn't align, more a brainstorm rainbarrel than anything else. Reviewing the two EH OVAs has pointed out some of these, and doubtless when I go over Nanoha again I'll notice some more - I have the second half of Garo to finish first before starting that, though. Anyway, here's some clarification.
Watching them again, OVA2 obviously follows much closer on OVA1 than I'd been thinking - maybe a month or two at most. This means that if OVA2 events are going to be on camera, it's got to be before the Earth paty can return home (by a long chalk) and it's all but impossible for the TSAB to be involved with the dimensional/temporal turbulence as stated. My guess is that the studio wanted to turn the OVAs into a thirteen episode TV series, by cutting the first and last (45min) eps of OVA1 into two-parters and adding the four eps of OVA2 to make up the difference. It sounds plausible at least.
The time differential between when Precia leaves for (a week or two after Ifurita sends them) and arrives in (between four and ten days depending on travel times and whether you take the episode titles of "the XXX night" literally) El-Hazard is part of the reason there's so much disturbance, where a normal dimensional transit time flows as usual but due to El-Hazard being in some kind of overworld or hyperspace causality is not neccesarily preserved (as the whole 10,000 year old Irufita thing makes blatantly obvious) and the universe is unhappy about it; travel becomes absolutely sealed until Precia leaves and for a while afterward, with the exact duration depending on how strong the attempted transit is (with the Eye of God and Ifurita being on the Pretty Damn end of the scale.)
Of course, the TSAB isn't likely to take a dimensional upheaval like Precia's trip or (especially, given their mandate over arms limitation treaties) the use of the Eye of God as a weapon lying down, so maybe they could find some way to pop a small ship like Asura down the rabbit hole in time to be around for the end of OVA2 and the Trigger of Destruction, because Garden vs. Asura vs. Trigger is a Scene I'd Love to See. The Saint's Cradle doesn't seem to be in the cards, sadly. Maybe they could repatriate the Phantom Tribe to a more hospitable homeworld?
I've used both El-Hazard and Alhazared without explaining the intended difference, basically El-Hazard is the modern residents while Alhazared is the ancient civilization - a minor language shift in the intervening time, largely for flavor. Since they haven't had voice recording since the ancient war there's only the written word to pin pronunciation down, and with the way civilization seems to have fallen and rebuilt, it's probable that the survivors were more occupied with survival than strict adherence to grammar and diction for quite a while.
The Negima minor cross would probably be somewhere around the Library Explorers/midternms arc; since it's a Sunday the morning after the EH travelers vanish there's no classes and Takahata could ask Negi to come with him as a favor for a little backup, since Nanohaville is in a rival Magic Organisation's territory, possibly even the same one making trouble on the field trip. I was thinking about some kind of throwaway line about the volleyball club wanting them to watch the game against the Momotsuki Junior Girls, but when Takahata mentions his niece having gone missing in suspicious circumstances they have more trouble getting away without any of the girls than persuading them to let the guys skip the game. (This would put them in continuity with Pani Poni Dash as well, nominally, but I don't know what part of the year the Momotsuki vs. Mahora poster appeared in PPD, and as noted it's a throwawy line so I'm not planning on any M-33 aliens or anything.)
On Nanami as a mage, if that was the case she'd probably not have been frozen by the barrier, like Makoto, Nanoha, and Yuuno. I was mainly opeerating on the idea that it would be nice to mix the two casts together a little more, and she has the special power that's both least generally useful and most easily related to spellcasting (as mage sight) after Makoto. Anyway, using Kalia's pimp cane as an Intelligent Device might fall to Yuuno, or possibly Queen Deva. It would aid narrative balance since the Good Guys are already getting extra, powerful allies this go round. I always thought she was an underdeveloped character, and tied with Afura for my favorite Cool Headed Hottie in 'verse. (either Ifurita also qualify, but are too devoted to Makoto or... what IS that old guys name!?) That would make a solid arc growing from OVA2 to Befriend either the Bugrom or Phantom Tribe and finish dealing with the other before returning to Earth.
Perhaps Diva is a previous Priestess of Mt. Muldoon (either Wind or Fire, having retired or been driven out due to her ambitions, at which point Shayla and Afura were instated in those offices. What happened to the other is open to development - maybe just left to marry and settle down like Miz wants, maybe in shame at an old friend turning Evil Empress, maybe injured/killed trying to stop her...) This would make her a prime candidate as a magic user - presumably in such a case she's better one on one than as a strategic commander, since having Jinnai take over provided such a boost to their capability. If she was originally a 'dipomat breed' bugrom it would explain why she alone (of those seen) looks so human. (The shoulder carapace is probably just an accessory, and the earpieces could be too. Her facial markings, espescially the forehead 'eye spots' might be actual eyes or just some form of ritual marking, as seen on all the current priestesses.)
I suggest this mainly because she seems to be a fervent believer in god (appropriate for a priestess though being so delighted by Jinnai's wickedness would seem to indicate she's fallen from the path a bit, even if she believes him to be a Messenger of God) and because it would give some existing magical and Device training (with whichever Elemental Lamp) for her to base Intelligent Device use on since Nanoha is a remarkable prodigy in how quickly she picks it up and most would not be able to do so as well. Arguing against the 'former priestess' theory is that Miz doesn't bring any such thing up, and the war against the Bugrom has apparently been going on a while. Miz might just be too focussed on avoiding becoming an old maid most of the time and on the moment when in a pinch to worry about it, though, or feel that anything to be said was said long ago, or just keep her thoughts to herself for that matter. On the other hand, she readily takes a place in the party who penetrate the Bugrom fortress while Afura and Shayla cause a diversion, so there could be some history there.
With Nanoha and Fate aged up and the teachers already involved, moving the setting to Negima might be appropriate post-return. Earth's hidden magical society might be too recent for Yuuno to be really interested in them, but he's got all of El-Hazard to catalogue anyway. OTOH, that makes it tricky to integrate die Wolkenritter if they're not operating in the same general area as Nanoha, although there is the class field trip if you put ... Nanohaville (I know the name is given, but can't remember) as a suburb or satellite town, and possibly expand the Negima timeline some. (My Negima-style kung fu is even weaker than my Nanoha-style, I'm afraid.)
I put the intro together a little more, based on the dub and sub versions of the MSLN ep3 intro, the mini-intro after the credits, and a bit of baling wire. Behold! The Intro!
Good evening, this is Takamachi Nanoha. I'm usually an ordinary third-grader, but lately, all sorts of things have been going on. I was given a lttle red jewel, and with it I also got these magic powers.
Now that I've made a new freind and got a bit used to my magic, strange things have started to happen around me. But I don't mind, whatever happens I'll stand up and fight.
The door to a world of magnificent adventure is opening now!
And with that, I'm heaing to the library to see what comments may (hopefully) have been generated by the first post, post this, and (with any luck) append some replies.
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Having read the replies
Agreed, there's No Need for Negima. Strike any references to it here, also; I'll just have to do without Asura in El-Hazard for now. Though the up-aged Nanoha recieving an invitation as a throwaway would be possible, there's too much work reconciling the earth mages to MSLN and EH magic (that already take some shoehorning together) to bother for a simple reference.
I would be utterly ashamed if I didn't get the 1,001 Nights reference now that it's pointed out, though I hadn't thought of it before - just "Makoto looks older there at the epilogue" and my typically poor judgement of character aging. Hmm, I kind of torn over leaving ti the same for the Reference Power and dramatic aging of the younger cast, or shortening it as previously stated by some significant amount to reflect the fact that Yuuno does this stuff for a living (apparently more successfully than Schtalubaugh,) he's not coming at Alhazared magitech cold like Makoto.
As to the MSLN cast picking up powers in tranit... wihle I do recognise the ponits made, Nanoha being able to learn enemy magic as fast as she makes up her own spells doesn't seem like it's all that big a deal, it just makes it easier to pass her off as a demon-god. Yuuno's may be pushing the boundary a little, but it's basically just the paper version of Makoto's - which has appeared not once but twice already. Given the spottiness of the outline even so, possibilities are quite open, especially if someone has an idea for an oddball ability and the perfect situation to make it useful. I freely admit I tend to go for the munch when it comes to character advancement.
Back to Lindy and Ifurita 10,000 Years Later, how would the TSAB know to check on the Takamachi house? Would she just show up on their scanners? When would they show up in the first place? Fate isn't battling Nanoha all over the sky, with barrier zones of shifted time to make ripples in spacetime. aybe it's foreshocks of the Garden's transit? That could be odd enough looking yet faint at first so the Asura only arrives just in time for the staff to be shocked as the Garden disappears in a dimensional event with a power level over 9,000 then scan for traces on the surface and find a powerful Lost Logia signal, Lindy and Chrono following up just in time to keep Ifurita from completely running dry. This would be a couple weeks on, maybe a omnth, so she'd have been unconscious and slowly fading for a while even if not so immediately bad off as I originally wrote.
As for the original suggestions, it was post #70-something in the current Crossovers That MUST Be. I think one for Nanoha's power was self-styling hair, another was the aforementioned speaking to animals, but self-styling hair mainly lends itself to Nymphadora Tonks like toon emoting, which isn't really Nahoha's bag, and, well, when do we see an animal that can't talk in either series except the dolphin-bear-thing in EH ep1, and the pets of Nanoha's school friends? She could could probably make a good attempt at the hair thing by modifying her barrier jacket, now that I think about it. It would certainly be in-genre to do so.
Another possibility that occurred to me is that pretty much any of the special powers seen would be plausible as spells, so what if she could do one spell (not high level combat magic though) even without Raging Heart? It's not the kind of thing she'd think to attempt under most circumstances, so it wouldn't be noticed until at some point she is separated from the Device and thinks, "If only I could cast a- WAAA! Hoooe?" Again, the question becomes "what spell" and "when would it show up?"
Something that just occurred to me, anti-Deva-as-Priestess: She didn't know where Forbidden Island was. Of course, maybe each Priestess only knows part of the information, or the discovery dates to after she stepped down, or her secret knowledge was the location of that underground city that Ifurita destroyed (possibly full of lesser relics that the Bugrom had already looted, fueling their war effort.) Or, perhaps she was merely an acolyte and left when someone else was named High Priestess over her.
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"Anko, what you do in your free time is your own choice. Use it wisely. And if you do not use it wisely, make sure you thoroughly enjoy whatever unwise thing you are doing." - HymnOfRagnorok as Orochimaru at SpaceBattles
woot Med. Eng., verb, 1st & 3rd pers. prsnt. sg. know, knows
Watching them again, OVA2 obviously follows much closer on OVA1 than I'd been thinking - maybe a month or two at most. This means that if OVA2 events are going to be on camera, it's got to be before the Earth paty can return home (by a long chalk) and it's all but impossible for the TSAB to be involved with the dimensional/temporal turbulence as stated. My guess is that the studio wanted to turn the OVAs into a thirteen episode TV series, by cutting the first and last (45min) eps of OVA1 into two-parters and adding the four eps of OVA2 to make up the difference. It sounds plausible at least.
The time differential between when Precia leaves for (a week or two after Ifurita sends them) and arrives in (between four and ten days depending on travel times and whether you take the episode titles of "the XXX night" literally) El-Hazard is part of the reason there's so much disturbance, where a normal dimensional transit time flows as usual but due to El-Hazard being in some kind of overworld or hyperspace causality is not neccesarily preserved (as the whole 10,000 year old Irufita thing makes blatantly obvious) and the universe is unhappy about it; travel becomes absolutely sealed until Precia leaves and for a while afterward, with the exact duration depending on how strong the attempted transit is (with the Eye of God and Ifurita being on the Pretty Damn end of the scale.)
Of course, the TSAB isn't likely to take a dimensional upheaval like Precia's trip or (especially, given their mandate over arms limitation treaties) the use of the Eye of God as a weapon lying down, so maybe they could find some way to pop a small ship like Asura down the rabbit hole in time to be around for the end of OVA2 and the Trigger of Destruction, because Garden vs. Asura vs. Trigger is a Scene I'd Love to See. The Saint's Cradle doesn't seem to be in the cards, sadly. Maybe they could repatriate the Phantom Tribe to a more hospitable homeworld?
I've used both El-Hazard and Alhazared without explaining the intended difference, basically El-Hazard is the modern residents while Alhazared is the ancient civilization - a minor language shift in the intervening time, largely for flavor. Since they haven't had voice recording since the ancient war there's only the written word to pin pronunciation down, and with the way civilization seems to have fallen and rebuilt, it's probable that the survivors were more occupied with survival than strict adherence to grammar and diction for quite a while.
The Negima minor cross would probably be somewhere around the Library Explorers/midternms arc; since it's a Sunday the morning after the EH travelers vanish there's no classes and Takahata could ask Negi to come with him as a favor for a little backup, since Nanohaville is in a rival Magic Organisation's territory, possibly even the same one making trouble on the field trip. I was thinking about some kind of throwaway line about the volleyball club wanting them to watch the game against the Momotsuki Junior Girls, but when Takahata mentions his niece having gone missing in suspicious circumstances they have more trouble getting away without any of the girls than persuading them to let the guys skip the game. (This would put them in continuity with Pani Poni Dash as well, nominally, but I don't know what part of the year the Momotsuki vs. Mahora poster appeared in PPD, and as noted it's a throwawy line so I'm not planning on any M-33 aliens or anything.)
On Nanami as a mage, if that was the case she'd probably not have been frozen by the barrier, like Makoto, Nanoha, and Yuuno. I was mainly opeerating on the idea that it would be nice to mix the two casts together a little more, and she has the special power that's both least generally useful and most easily related to spellcasting (as mage sight) after Makoto. Anyway, using Kalia's pimp cane as an Intelligent Device might fall to Yuuno, or possibly Queen Deva. It would aid narrative balance since the Good Guys are already getting extra, powerful allies this go round. I always thought she was an underdeveloped character, and tied with Afura for my favorite Cool Headed Hottie in 'verse. (either Ifurita also qualify, but are too devoted to Makoto or... what IS that old guys name!?) That would make a solid arc growing from OVA2 to Befriend either the Bugrom or Phantom Tribe and finish dealing with the other before returning to Earth.
Perhaps Diva is a previous Priestess of Mt. Muldoon (either Wind or Fire, having retired or been driven out due to her ambitions, at which point Shayla and Afura were instated in those offices. What happened to the other is open to development - maybe just left to marry and settle down like Miz wants, maybe in shame at an old friend turning Evil Empress, maybe injured/killed trying to stop her...) This would make her a prime candidate as a magic user - presumably in such a case she's better one on one than as a strategic commander, since having Jinnai take over provided such a boost to their capability. If she was originally a 'dipomat breed' bugrom it would explain why she alone (of those seen) looks so human. (The shoulder carapace is probably just an accessory, and the earpieces could be too. Her facial markings, espescially the forehead 'eye spots' might be actual eyes or just some form of ritual marking, as seen on all the current priestesses.)
I suggest this mainly because she seems to be a fervent believer in god (appropriate for a priestess though being so delighted by Jinnai's wickedness would seem to indicate she's fallen from the path a bit, even if she believes him to be a Messenger of God) and because it would give some existing magical and Device training (with whichever Elemental Lamp) for her to base Intelligent Device use on since Nanoha is a remarkable prodigy in how quickly she picks it up and most would not be able to do so as well. Arguing against the 'former priestess' theory is that Miz doesn't bring any such thing up, and the war against the Bugrom has apparently been going on a while. Miz might just be too focussed on avoiding becoming an old maid most of the time and on the moment when in a pinch to worry about it, though, or feel that anything to be said was said long ago, or just keep her thoughts to herself for that matter. On the other hand, she readily takes a place in the party who penetrate the Bugrom fortress while Afura and Shayla cause a diversion, so there could be some history there.
With Nanoha and Fate aged up and the teachers already involved, moving the setting to Negima might be appropriate post-return. Earth's hidden magical society might be too recent for Yuuno to be really interested in them, but he's got all of El-Hazard to catalogue anyway. OTOH, that makes it tricky to integrate die Wolkenritter if they're not operating in the same general area as Nanoha, although there is the class field trip if you put ... Nanohaville (I know the name is given, but can't remember) as a suburb or satellite town, and possibly expand the Negima timeline some. (My Negima-style kung fu is even weaker than my Nanoha-style, I'm afraid.)
I put the intro together a little more, based on the dub and sub versions of the MSLN ep3 intro, the mini-intro after the credits, and a bit of baling wire. Behold! The Intro!
Good evening, this is Takamachi Nanoha. I'm usually an ordinary third-grader, but lately, all sorts of things have been going on. I was given a lttle red jewel, and with it I also got these magic powers.
Now that I've made a new freind and got a bit used to my magic, strange things have started to happen around me. But I don't mind, whatever happens I'll stand up and fight.
The door to a world of magnificent adventure is opening now!
And with that, I'm heaing to the library to see what comments may (hopefully) have been generated by the first post, post this, and (with any luck) append some replies.
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Having read the replies
Agreed, there's No Need for Negima. Strike any references to it here, also; I'll just have to do without Asura in El-Hazard for now. Though the up-aged Nanoha recieving an invitation as a throwaway would be possible, there's too much work reconciling the earth mages to MSLN and EH magic (that already take some shoehorning together) to bother for a simple reference.
I would be utterly ashamed if I didn't get the 1,001 Nights reference now that it's pointed out, though I hadn't thought of it before - just "Makoto looks older there at the epilogue" and my typically poor judgement of character aging. Hmm, I kind of torn over leaving ti the same for the Reference Power and dramatic aging of the younger cast, or shortening it as previously stated by some significant amount to reflect the fact that Yuuno does this stuff for a living (apparently more successfully than Schtalubaugh,) he's not coming at Alhazared magitech cold like Makoto.
As to the MSLN cast picking up powers in tranit... wihle I do recognise the ponits made, Nanoha being able to learn enemy magic as fast as she makes up her own spells doesn't seem like it's all that big a deal, it just makes it easier to pass her off as a demon-god. Yuuno's may be pushing the boundary a little, but it's basically just the paper version of Makoto's - which has appeared not once but twice already. Given the spottiness of the outline even so, possibilities are quite open, especially if someone has an idea for an oddball ability and the perfect situation to make it useful. I freely admit I tend to go for the munch when it comes to character advancement.
Back to Lindy and Ifurita 10,000 Years Later, how would the TSAB know to check on the Takamachi house? Would she just show up on their scanners? When would they show up in the first place? Fate isn't battling Nanoha all over the sky, with barrier zones of shifted time to make ripples in spacetime. aybe it's foreshocks of the Garden's transit? That could be odd enough looking yet faint at first so the Asura only arrives just in time for the staff to be shocked as the Garden disappears in a dimensional event with a power level over 9,000 then scan for traces on the surface and find a powerful Lost Logia signal, Lindy and Chrono following up just in time to keep Ifurita from completely running dry. This would be a couple weeks on, maybe a omnth, so she'd have been unconscious and slowly fading for a while even if not so immediately bad off as I originally wrote.
As for the original suggestions, it was post #70-something in the current Crossovers That MUST Be. I think one for Nanoha's power was self-styling hair, another was the aforementioned speaking to animals, but self-styling hair mainly lends itself to Nymphadora Tonks like toon emoting, which isn't really Nahoha's bag, and, well, when do we see an animal that can't talk in either series except the dolphin-bear-thing in EH ep1, and the pets of Nanoha's school friends? She could could probably make a good attempt at the hair thing by modifying her barrier jacket, now that I think about it. It would certainly be in-genre to do so.
Another possibility that occurred to me is that pretty much any of the special powers seen would be plausible as spells, so what if she could do one spell (not high level combat magic though) even without Raging Heart? It's not the kind of thing she'd think to attempt under most circumstances, so it wouldn't be noticed until at some point she is separated from the Device and thinks, "If only I could cast a- WAAA! Hoooe?" Again, the question becomes "what spell" and "when would it show up?"
Something that just occurred to me, anti-Deva-as-Priestess: She didn't know where Forbidden Island was. Of course, maybe each Priestess only knows part of the information, or the discovery dates to after she stepped down, or her secret knowledge was the location of that underground city that Ifurita destroyed (possibly full of lesser relics that the Bugrom had already looted, fueling their war effort.) Or, perhaps she was merely an acolyte and left when someone else was named High Priestess over her.
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"Anko, what you do in your free time is your own choice. Use it wisely. And if you do not use it wisely, make sure you thoroughly enjoy whatever unwise thing you are doing." - HymnOfRagnorok as Orochimaru at SpaceBattles
woot Med. Eng., verb, 1st & 3rd pers. prsnt. sg. know, knows