The 'Great leap Forward' was an exercise in incompetence. 8 digit body count in starvation deaths because it never occurred to Mao that moving so very many people into the industrialization your forcing without a way to feed them was a bad idea, then again that was a lot like how he ran an army so that might have been intentional. It worked out for him in the end, but the random stupid deaths were horrific in volume.
The main issue with the Roman Empire was it got it in its collective head that appeasing people with bread and circuses was a better idea tan actually solving their issues. Basically, the refused to admit that their Empire (in this example is a car) had a gear shift and that going over certain terrain requires changing gears. So they kept in the same gear until the engine seized up and they crashed and burned. The one time someone important tried to get them to even change the oil they stabbed him to death for it. (Seriously, its like they killed their navigator for trying to do something about that check engine light that was glaring so brightly he could barely see the road map.
I find your definition of a 'Hero' to be more protagonist with competent writing... but as the mentioned thread crashed and burned from my memory I'll leave it at that.
Though as my brother controls the downloads (and told me about the series rather than let me watch it with him) I can't really get too, too specific on Madoka... I always consider the end of that series to be stage one of a plan. The infrastructure of the home front is now created. Now they have their own cosmic horrors to work with they can work on bringing the antagonists down.
Anyway, arguing the effects of competent writing making a plot work that shouldn't is a different issue. The difference between 'earn your happy ending' and 'Darker and Edgier for the epic win!!!' end being turned into a punctuation mark for ending paragraphs is not exactly that fine a line. Only half recognizing your specific series having seen neither (though one is advertised as a war on pants... and from what I've heard is easily accused of being pro axis propaganda), I'm not really able to go for specifics, how you write it is a separate issue from if it should be written. Hell, as much as I like the Kingdom Hearts series it is a crossover that should not be actually pulled off correctly so it works anyway.
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Shiro Emiya works for the cops as a psychomistrist for high. He ends up getting hired to use his talents to unravel the mess that is left over after a SAW movie. Every item he reads ends taking up a full chapter.
The main issue with the Roman Empire was it got it in its collective head that appeasing people with bread and circuses was a better idea tan actually solving their issues. Basically, the refused to admit that their Empire (in this example is a car) had a gear shift and that going over certain terrain requires changing gears. So they kept in the same gear until the engine seized up and they crashed and burned. The one time someone important tried to get them to even change the oil they stabbed him to death for it. (Seriously, its like they killed their navigator for trying to do something about that check engine light that was glaring so brightly he could barely see the road map.
I find your definition of a 'Hero' to be more protagonist with competent writing... but as the mentioned thread crashed and burned from my memory I'll leave it at that.
Though as my brother controls the downloads (and told me about the series rather than let me watch it with him) I can't really get too, too specific on Madoka... I always consider the end of that series to be stage one of a plan. The infrastructure of the home front is now created. Now they have their own cosmic horrors to work with they can work on bringing the antagonists down.
Anyway, arguing the effects of competent writing making a plot work that shouldn't is a different issue. The difference between 'earn your happy ending' and 'Darker and Edgier for the epic win!!!' end being turned into a punctuation mark for ending paragraphs is not exactly that fine a line. Only half recognizing your specific series having seen neither (though one is advertised as a war on pants... and from what I've heard is easily accused of being pro axis propaganda), I'm not really able to go for specifics, how you write it is a separate issue from if it should be written. Hell, as much as I like the Kingdom Hearts series it is a crossover that should not be actually pulled off correctly so it works anyway.
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Shiro Emiya works for the cops as a psychomistrist for high. He ends up getting hired to use his talents to unravel the mess that is left over after a SAW movie. Every item he reads ends taking up a full chapter.