Thinking like a Sith, you are.
The first line of the Jedi Code was originally "Emotion, yet peace". The idea was that you reached the serenity needed to use the Light Side- not by denying yourself the ability to feel emotion, but by having the control to be serene despite your feelings. Attachments were permitted back then.
Second, why do you assume that TK has to be a domination of the natural order? It makes thematic sense for the Jedi method of TK to be more Taoist- to act without acting, convince the world around you to change- that sort of thing. Very Zen- fitting, since SW draws deeply from Eastern philosophy. Now, I could see Sith acolytes trained to force the world into the shape they desire...
As for Mind Trick, when you look it up on Wookieepedia, you'll see three different forms of it. The Jedi use Force Persuasion, which is described as being more like attempting to convince the target to agree with the user than anything else. Even then, they're taught to never use it for personal gain, and even then, that it should only be used when absolutely necessary.
The Sith (aside from tossing around FP like candy) use Affect Mind, or its more powerful form, Dominate Mind. That's real 'impose your will on others' stuff, right there. The Jedi form is closer to Force I-Implore-You-To-Reconsider, especially since it only automatically influences the weak-minded.
Battle meditation? Seriously? Look it up. Sith battle coordination is done by imposing the will of the user upon their soldiers, forcing them to fight as extensions of one mind. Jedi battle meditation is part offering feelings of confidence and hope to your troops, and part linking them together, so that they can achieve a level of harmony that allows them to fight as one. That one's explicitly spelled out.
The Sith have ways of becoming Force ghosts, able to affect the world around them, possess bodies, and basically continue on. That's a bit more like what you're thinking of, eh?
As for the Jedi
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Quote:Jedi must live as ascetics or fall to the dark side - positive emotions are just as bad as negative onesNot true. Allowing your emotions to rule you is what causes problems. Most Dark Jedi fall because they give in to their emotions... and then die because they cannot control them. The reason Sith are so much more dangerous is because they have some measure of control over themselves.
The first line of the Jedi Code was originally "Emotion, yet peace". The idea was that you reached the serenity needed to use the Light Side- not by denying yourself the ability to feel emotion, but by having the control to be serene despite your feelings. Attachments were permitted back then.
Quote:Mind tricks and telekinesis are the two basic powers, aka imposing domination over thought and actionFirst, I dispute your categorization. If anything, the most basic power of the Force is awareness (which is morally neutral, if slightly more in line with the Jedi philosophy). TK is one of the more basic methods of using the Force to alter the world, yes, but mind tricks? That's got to be a third- or fourth-order power.
Second, why do you assume that TK has to be a domination of the natural order? It makes thematic sense for the Jedi method of TK to be more Taoist- to act without acting, convince the world around you to change- that sort of thing. Very Zen- fitting, since SW draws deeply from Eastern philosophy. Now, I could see Sith acolytes trained to force the world into the shape they desire...
As for Mind Trick, when you look it up on Wookieepedia, you'll see three different forms of it. The Jedi use Force Persuasion, which is described as being more like attempting to convince the target to agree with the user than anything else. Even then, they're taught to never use it for personal gain, and even then, that it should only be used when absolutely necessary.
The Sith (aside from tossing around FP like candy) use Affect Mind, or its more powerful form, Dominate Mind. That's real 'impose your will on others' stuff, right there. The Jedi form is closer to Force I-Implore-You-To-Reconsider, especially since it only automatically influences the weak-minded.
Quote:That's not even going into messing with time and probability for pre/postcognition and Battle MeditationPre/postcognition isn't actually a type of time shenanigan at all. It's awareness of the Force... which handles the time part of things for you, by being connected to the past, present, and future.
Battle meditation? Seriously? Look it up. Sith battle coordination is done by imposing the will of the user upon their soldiers, forcing them to fight as extensions of one mind. Jedi battle meditation is part offering feelings of confidence and hope to your troops, and part linking them together, so that they can achieve a level of harmony that allows them to fight as one. That one's explicitly spelled out.
Quote:The darksiders all seem to take a running dive into BWAHAHA FOR TEHI'm going to take the last part of this first. The ability is pretty explicitly not 'cheating death'. It's becoming One With The Force, surrendering yourself to the universe, and by doing so, gaining the ability to appear to those who yet live. Note that you never see the shades of Anakin, Ben, or Yoda do anything other than communicate. They have no power of their own.
EVULS! territority almost immediately. The Sith are most noteable for
their ability to keep the tendency under control, and failing at it is
what leads to the deaths of pretty much every one of them we see, as
they start getting sloppy
And those fallen Jedi? Notice how damn hard it is for Lightsiders to detect them through the Force, let alone take
them down
The highest acheivement of the lightside 'Living Force' is to cheat
death - not that I actually have a problem with that, but for the
supposed manifestation of nature, it does seem a little off.
The Sith have ways of becoming Force ghosts, able to affect the world around them, possess bodies, and basically continue on. That's a bit more like what you're thinking of, eh?
As for the Jedi
My Unitarian Jihad Name is: Brother Atom Bomb of Courteous Debate. Get yours.
I've been writing a bit.