Quote:Rajvik wrote:That's more or less what I was tentatively thinking about, only rather than being multi-planetary, they're operating on a much higher level than TSAB does. Skuld would probably think their dimensional drives are 'cute' in the same way a woman thinks a English Bulldog is cute - ugly, but effective at what it does, and somehow charming despite its demerits.
a suggestion on the AMG issue is handle them like the TSAB, they are another multi-planetary faction with a major computer system, serious powers/science (i mean looking at Skuld and what she does it kinda fits) and a penchant for humanitarian work
Quote:Bob Schroeck wrote:Okay, I think I can work with that. It would be especially fitting to bring in the whole 'shades of gray' aspect in the form of Hild and her adherents. It would even go a long way to explaining Hild's relationship with The Almighty (who, in this case, I'm simply gonna call 'Odin' from now on).Quote:Not quite sure how to swing the Demons and Nidhog in this case. Bob? Got any ideas?Well, for DW, I define the difference between a god and a demon as hinging on whether or not they believe lower-dimensionals have any kind of value. This isn't a moral thing -- there are evil gods who value their worshipers from 4D spacetimes, and ostensibly good "demons" who think that 4D types aren't "real" people, any more than the characters in a book are. You might want to work with something like that, perhaps making them essentially griefers, using their own supercomputer to vandalize and undermine "smaller" universes, perhaps by hacking Yggdrasil, or by trying to corrupt/rot enough of a universe that the gods can't undo it, basically for the lulz.
In fact, a very interesting way of looking at it would be that Hild is something like Lucrezia Mongfish from Girl Genius - determined to save the world on her terms, despite her personal desires (IE: a healthy, romantic relationship with Odin and be a real mother to Urd).
It would be especially fun to have a moment where Hild pulls Zeke aside, and basically advises him to not let a good thing get away despite the complications that would inevitably arise.
So, basically Hild is in charge of the Demons simply because she knows that if she isn't then they are going to mess things up so badly that, in fine griefer fashion, it's going to mess things up for them as well.
Thoughts?
Quote:robkelk wrote:....Quote:Cobalt Greywalker wrote:Another possibility is to have the Choushin and the Megami both be 10D beings - but the 10D be different subsets of the 12+D of the multiverse. They can only interact in forms that use dimensions that both groups can access, such as our 4D universe or analogues thereof.
The problem with the Tenchi Choushin and AMG goddesses is the fact both are defined as 10D beings (at the time these series did this, it was what physics seemed to believe about the structure of the universe). Given the Choushin's goals, this makes things awkward. Post Tenchi OVA3, we can fiddle a bit. Current thinking has the Universe be a 12D to 13D construct. There is also the fact there are defined and undefined infinities.
My suggestion? Make this universe a boundary one between the infinities of the Tenchi, AMG, and TSAB multiverses (think Ven diagram, but in a hypercube (hypersphere?)).
The reset of the Tenchi OVA universe, bugs in Yggdrasil, and possibly the dimensional dislocation of the Jewel Seed incident caused a merger of the defined infinities of the three multiverses. Outside the fact the Gods are unsettled by how settled they are, nobody else will notice. To everyone else, it has ALWAYS been this way.
It will also mean there are greater than 10D beings around, which will make the vast majority of Gods (those 10D beings) nervous. I very much doubt Raven will play his games around certain individuals.
This would explain why the Choushin thought that looking for a more powerful being then themselves wasn't a fool's errand. It would also explain why the Megami deferred to a superior, if they had actually found an 11D being to serve. And, if BA prefers Raven to be more powerful than the Choushin or the Megami, Raven could be an 11+D being.
Okay then, I think I know what to do now.
Now, originally, ClassicDrogn had this to say way back on Page 1 of this thread, and I ran with it:
Quote:ClassicDrogn wrote:Now I see that if I want this to work out the way I'd like it to, this universe can't simply be Raven's personal terrarium.
Well, this is where it came up, mainly. WRT the more on topic part - it sounds a bit like the backstory scene of Twoflower's Slayers Trilogy fics. To paraphrase:
A golden-haired little girl sang happily, looking down into the project She'd just finished. One of the boys wandered over, and She held it out proudly for him to see. "Look at my butterflies!" She said. Indeed, the terrarium was populated by tiny, short-lived creatures, flitting around and doing their own thing.
"Laaaame..." He complained, poking at it to make them react. He dropped in an altogether different sort of bug, and watched it catch and pull the wings off of one of the colorful little ones with much more interest. "See, now it's much cooler!"
"Meanie! Get away from my butterflies!" She yelled, kicking the boy in the shin. "Now how am I supposed to get that out without breaking everything?"
Note, it's now fifteen years since I read these, so this is apt to be a very loose rendition. http://allthetropes.orain.org/wiki/Slayers_Trilogy
I'm not saying this is any kind of bad thing, just that it's an example to either intentionally reference or to intentionally avoid making a reference to. I think that as a framing device it works fairly well, in fact.
Instead, this would be a very big sandbox where a whole bunch of 10D beings got together and decided to build something awesome. In this case, it's not just the Choushin that are looking for higher powers - it's the whole group working towards that end.
And then, just when things were getting good, along came Those Kids and they started being dicks in general by letting loose nasty critters into the whole creation as well as acting more directly. So, Raven being the sort he is, went out and found himself a weapon to fight the nastiness with his power backing the guy up.
This lets me put most of the Gods (like the Choushin and the Nourns) as 10D beings, other Big Names (like Raven, Odin, and Hild) at 11D, and Tenchi being the end goal of what they were all striving for in the form of a 12+D being.
Another nice thing is that this let's me keep Zeke reasonable - he's not going to be the biggest hitter. That honor goes to Tenchi. However, Zeke will wind up being the guy that attracts most of the negative attention. (Although Tenchi will still have his woes as a Harem-master to deal with. Pity the poor fool.)
Thoughts?