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Nanoha StrikerS
 
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So was everyone else who checked animesuki before looking here, I bet. '.'






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Anyway, I disagree. I think Nanoha did mess up, but that the blast was an important part in shocking through it.





I guess we'll have to disagree then, because I don't think it helped at all.




Luckily, this is the internet, so we're allowed to disagree! '.'




In any case, the idea that Nanoha probably didn't realize what the real problem was fits well enough for this not to keep me awake at night, and use my
mental bandwidth for more important things. Like imagining Nanoha and Vita making
out."^H"*42




-Morgan.



Necroposting, in a way, but given this is one of my all time favorite sequences in terms of breaking the usual expectations, I've given it a lot of
thought and I figured I'd toss in my own theory.
1. It isn't so much the Training Incident as the post-post talk that gets Tea to come around. This
is important.

2. One of the principal things that Nanoha mentions is that her "training method was too plain" or something similar, implying that the fault
wasn't entirely on Tea but Nanoha's methods as a teacher as well.

3. Nanoha spends at least a few seconds asking if everything she'd tried to teach them was worthless when she's dual-disarming the two, and her tone of
voice and expression don't strike me as just disappointed, but also hurt. She likes these kids, and then Tea goes
and ignores everything she's tried to tell her and does this crazy stunt.

4. Nanoha's "cool your head" moment happens after it becomes apparent that Tea's not going to be talked down.

5. Signum's "spoiled brat" punch is, as mentioned earlier, at least partially because she doesn't know the whole story, and partially
Signum's personality. She's a direct person and her loyalty to Hayate(and presumably, Hayate's close friends) is ironclad. She also doesn't
really seem to change directions once she sets herself, as seen in A's where Fate's trying desperately to talk her out of this course of action, while
Signum seems resigned to the path she's chosen.
Thus, here's the situation as I understand it:

Tea's principal self-confidence problems are the result of being the only "normal" on a team full of extraordinary people. Nanoha, Fate, and
Hayate are all prodigies. Subaru's a combat cyborg. Erio's an artificial human. The Wolkenritter are veteran warriors with centuries of experience.
Even little Caro summons freaking dragons. The thing is, Tea isn't that normal(her illusion casting is distinctly said to be a rare talent), but her
self-confidence probably downplays that. Also, her primary skill(her tactical insight) isn't something that's apparent in early training, unless
you're a veteran like Nanoha who spotted it earlier on. All these self-confidence problems stem from her brother's death and the resultant commentary
on his overall worth, which thus reflected on Tea's training under him and made the problems deeply rooted and personal, and much less likely to come up
even to her close friends(I imagine Subaru knew, though).

However, in an effort to prove to Nanoha(or maybe just herself) that she can keep up with all these specials, Tea pulls out all the stops to develop a way to
do the impossible: bring Nanoha down in the mock combats. Subaru's in on it because they're the NanoFate of the next generation and because in her
perspective, seeing Tea doing something is probably better than her lying about, unwilling to even try. She's so busy helping her friend that she
doesn't realize that Tea's methods aren't exactly fitting in with the training.

Thus we come to the Training Incident. Now, I'm in the camp that goes with "Nanoha screwed up", here. Which really isn't as bad as it sounds.
Tea's clearly emotionally invested in this plan beyond the brink of health, and while there were probably methods to keep her safe(magical nets or
something), her plan is most definitely suicidal in a combat situation. Nanoha sees one of her students apparently ignoring everything she said about how no
objective is worth her life, who seems to just listen to her and ignore her, and she's probably hurt. She
liked these kids, tried her best to train them, and Tea's gone and done this crazy thing. One of Nanoha's
principal flaws that she and her friends repeatedly note is that she "tends to overdo it". Her methods in S1 and A's were simply "if you
don't want to talk this out, I'm going to sit you down by force and make you do it". Thus a hurt Nanoha also in the role of a teacher whose
students have just done something stupidly crazy(and in Tea's case, gotten Subaru, a perfectly fine young woman who was listening to the lessons, as an
accomplice) has to deal with Tea, who's in the middle of an Asuka-lite-esque breakdown and obviously becoming a danger to anyone around who's not
Nanoha, and to herself as well. And so Nanoha overdoes it. She blasts Tea unconcious because it's the most direct path to ending this confrontation, but
probably not the best idea, in the end. But an emotional response from someone with a lot of magical power that she's been used to since a young age.

Signum's punch is detailed above. She knows Nanoha's side(probably being involved in the training curriculum despite her comments), but not Tea's,
and sees a young student that's not only accepting their punishment, but seems to think it's her teacher's fault. Thus, she punches Tea out because
from her more direct personality's perspective, humoring such an absurd notion is only going to make it worse.

Finally, you have their little talk at the end. Tea's insecurities are now known to Nanoha, who has a startlingly adept skill with empathizing with others
from a young age. Having all the info, she notes that, for someone feeling too normal, the basics they drilled in every day probably felt confining to Tea. As
if, because she was normal, they had to hold everyone back to the basics until Tea got them right. Cross Mirage's second form is revealed, showing that the
curriculum did intend for them to advance, and in fact was going to soon, but that Nanoha had probably expected them
all to realize that they were going slowly but surely, something Tea's insecurities and hang ups wouldn't be conducive to.

Thus, blame all around, but understanding in the end, after a big beat down. Traditional Nanoha, right there.

Quote:

"Right, right!
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"Oh, silver blade, forged in the depths of the beyond. Heed my summons and purge those who stand in my way. Lay
waste."
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Messages In This Thread
Nanoha StrikerS - by Valles - 04-02-2007, 11:23 PM
Re: Nanoha StrikerS - by The Hunterminator - 04-02-2007, 11:39 PM
Seen the episode - by ordnance11 - 04-03-2007, 01:27 AM
Re: Seen the episode - by Valles - 04-03-2007, 01:52 AM
Re: Seen the episode - by The Hunterminator - 04-03-2007, 02:14 AM
Hmmm... - by ordnance11 - 04-03-2007, 02:30 AM
Re: Hmmm... - by Berk - 04-03-2007, 03:59 AM
Re: Hmmm... - by Bob Schroeck - 04-03-2007, 01:50 PM
RE: CoH Aces & Strikers - by Berk - 04-03-2007, 03:17 PM
Re: RE: CoH Aces & Strikers - by Valles - 04-03-2007, 11:07 PM
Re: RE: CoH Aces & Strikers - by Berk - 04-04-2007, 12:34 AM
ZWEI~! - by Valles - 04-14-2007, 05:58 PM
re:ZWEI - by ordnance11 - 04-14-2007, 06:11 PM
Re: re:ZWEI - by HoagieOfDoom - 04-14-2007, 08:07 PM
Re: re:ZWEI - by Valles - 04-14-2007, 10:50 PM
Nanoha's Problem - by ordnance11 - 04-16-2007, 06:26 PM
Re: Nanoha's Problem - by Valles - 04-17-2007, 03:18 AM
Re: re:Nanoha's Problem - by ordnance11 - 04-17-2007, 03:58 AM
Sudden Realization - by Valles - 04-17-2007, 04:22 AM
Re: Sudden Realization - by Valles - 04-17-2007, 05:22 AM
Re: Sudden Realization - by Berk - 04-17-2007, 12:43 PM
Dreeiiiiiiii - by Valles - 04-22-2007, 06:43 AM
Re: Dreeiiiiiiii - by Berk - 04-23-2007, 06:12 AM
Re: Dreeiiiiiiii - by ECSNorway - 04-23-2007, 04:04 PM
Re: Dreeiiiiiiii - by Valles - 04-23-2007, 06:57 PM
Vier? - by Valles - 04-30-2007, 04:22 AM
power and level - by ordnance11 - 04-30-2007, 07:59 AM
RE: Limiters & More - by Berk - 04-30-2007, 03:15 PM
Re: Funf is a remarkably appropriate sound effect - by HoagieOfDoom - 05-05-2007, 06:35 PM
Re: Funf is a remarkably appropriate sound effect - by The Hunterminator - 05-07-2007, 12:55 PM
My take - by ordnance11 - 05-08-2007, 03:51 AM
Mothering instinct - by ordnance11 - 05-08-2007, 11:11 PM
Re: Rune-Circles - by ECSNorway - 05-09-2007, 04:50 PM
Re: Rune-Circles - by Valles - 05-09-2007, 04:59 PM
Re: Rune-Circles - by The Hunterminator - 05-09-2007, 05:02 PM
Re: Rune-Circles - by Valles - 05-09-2007, 05:04 PM
RE: Caro - by Berk - 05-09-2007, 06:08 PM
Re: RE: Caro - by ECSNorway - 05-09-2007, 08:02 PM
Re: RE: Caro - by Valles - 05-10-2007, 02:56 AM
Re: RE: Caro - by Berk - 05-10-2007, 04:13 AM
Re: RE: Caro - by ECSNorway - 05-10-2007, 05:10 AM
Re: RE: Caro - by Berk - 05-10-2007, 12:29 PM
Intelligent Devices - by Valles - 05-14-2007, 07:00 PM
Re: Intelligent Devices - by Berk - 05-14-2007, 10:46 PM
Re: Intelligent Devices - by Valles - 05-15-2007, 12:07 AM
Re: Intelligent Devices - by Valles - 05-15-2007, 01:43 AM
Re: Intelligent Devices - by The Hunterminator - 05-15-2007, 01:45 AM
Re: Sorcerer vs Wizard - by Berk - 05-15-2007, 06:34 PM
Re: Sorcerer vs Wizard - by CattyNebulart - 05-15-2007, 07:10 PM
Re: Sorcerer vs Wizard - by The Hunterminator - 05-15-2007, 07:48 PM
Re: Rein-tan - by Berk - 05-15-2007, 08:40 PM
Re: Rein-tan - by HoagieOfDoom - 05-15-2007, 11:32 PM
Re: Rein-tan - by Berk - 05-15-2007, 11:48 PM
Ep5 - by SkyeFire - 05-17-2007, 04:12 PM
Re: Ep5 - by Valles - 05-17-2007, 06:42 PM
Re: Ep5 - by Florin - 05-17-2007, 07:58 PM
Erio & Signum - by SkyeFire - 05-17-2007, 11:30 PM
Re: Erio & Signum - by Berk - 05-17-2007, 11:42 PM
warmongering - by Valles - 05-18-2007, 07:11 PM
Re: warmongering - by Berk - 05-18-2007, 07:22 PM
Re: warmongering - by CattyNebulart - 05-19-2007, 04:44 AM
Ah well, nobody is perfect... - by LilFluff - 05-21-2007, 12:11 AM
Re: Ah well, nobody is perfect... - by LilFluff - 05-21-2007, 12:23 AM
Episode 8 - by Berk - 05-21-2007, 05:56 AM
Re: Episode 8 - by LilFluff - 05-21-2007, 06:52 AM
Re: Episode 8 - by LilFluff - 05-22-2007, 10:05 AM
Episode 7 - by sweno - 05-24-2007, 06:34 AM
This isn't the time to be Sieben - by Valles - 05-24-2007, 01:59 PM
Ep7 - by SkyeFire - 05-26-2007, 12:38 AM
Re: Ep7 - by Florin - 05-26-2007, 08:40 AM
RE: Bishie Guy - by Berk - 05-26-2007, 09:55 AM
Re: RE: Bishie Guy - by CattyNebulart - 05-26-2007, 07:47 PM
Re: RE: Bishie Guy - by Berk - 05-27-2007, 02:06 PM
Re: RE: Bishie Guy - by Valles - 05-27-2007, 02:22 PM
Re: RE: Bishie Guy - by Berk - 05-29-2007, 06:32 PM
Re: RE: Bishie Guy - by The Hunterminator - 06-02-2007, 02:18 AM
Re: RE: Bishie Guy - by ECSNorway - 06-02-2007, 03:06 AM
First version of MGLN - by LantisEscudo - 06-02-2007, 11:36 PM
Re: First version of MGLN - by Florin - 06-03-2007, 06:58 PM
Re: First version of MGLN - by The Hunterminator - 06-03-2007, 07:15 PM
Re: First version of MGLN - by LilFluff - 06-04-2007, 02:05 AM
This acht not to hurt so good - by Valles - 06-04-2007, 02:57 AM
Re: This acht not to hurt so good - by LilFluff - 06-04-2007, 11:47 AM
Re: This acht not to hurt so good - by Berk - 06-04-2007, 12:48 PM
Re: This acht not to hurt so good - by Valles - 06-04-2007, 01:30 PM
Re: This acht not to hurt so good - by Florin - 06-04-2007, 07:43 PM
Re: Nanoha StrikerS - by Rieverre - 06-04-2007, 09:48 PM
Re: Nanoha StrikerS - by Berk - 06-04-2007, 10:32 PM
Episode 9 - by HoagieOfDoom - 06-05-2007, 07:34 PM
Re: Episode 9 - by DreadnaughtVV - 06-05-2007, 09:50 PM
Re: Episode 9 - by ECSNorway - 06-06-2007, 04:33 AM
Re: Episode 9 - by Berk - 06-06-2007, 12:46 PM
So what's neun by you? - by Valles - 06-06-2007, 08:32 PM
Re: So what's neun by you? - by HoagieOfDoom - 06-06-2007, 09:48 PM
Re: So what's neun by you? - by crimsonsun - 06-09-2007, 06:49 AM
Re: So what's neun by you? - by LilFluff - 06-10-2007, 06:25 AM
Re: Zehn comes za moment we've all been waiting for! - by The Hunterminator - 07-05-2007, 01:15 PM
hm - by Foxboy - 07-05-2007, 02:33 PM
Re: hm - by Florin - 07-06-2007, 03:34 AM
Re: hm - by HoagieOfDoom - 07-06-2007, 04:39 AM
Re: hm - by Berk - 07-09-2007, 03:23 PM
Hot Elf sex, with side of explosions - by Valles - 07-10-2007, 12:28 AM
Re: Dont' Zwolf your meal down so fast! Save some for others - by HoagieOfDoom - 07-14-2007, 07:12 AM
EP 13 - by SkyeFire - 07-15-2007, 07:25 AM
Re: EP 13 - by Berk - 07-15-2007, 08:49 AM
Ack! Wrong Dreizehn room! - by Valles - 07-15-2007, 05:08 PM
Note on Episode 16 Raw - by Berk - 07-16-2007, 05:11 AM
Re: Note on Episode 16 Raw - by crimsonsun - 07-21-2007, 03:13 AM
Vivio's kyootnes iz Vierzehn! - by Valles - 07-21-2007, 04:15 PM
Re: Vivio's kyootnes iz Vierzehn! - by Berk - 07-22-2007, 05:08 PM
Ep14 - by SkyeFire - 07-24-2007, 02:57 AM
Concerning Raws... - by Berk - 07-24-2007, 03:28 AM
battles - by CattyNebulart - 07-24-2007, 08:03 AM
Re: battles - by Valles - 07-24-2007, 08:14 AM
Re: battles - by CattyNebulart - 07-24-2007, 11:45 AM
Re: battles - by Berk - 07-24-2007, 12:57 PM
Re: Battles - by Florin - 07-24-2007, 09:40 PM
Re: Battles - by Valles - 07-24-2007, 09:49 PM
Re: Battles - by ECSNorway - 07-25-2007, 12:03 AM
Re: battles - by gamlain - 07-25-2007, 12:49 AM
Re: battles - by crimsonsun - 07-29-2007, 05:56 PM
Re: Concerning Raws... - by LilFluff - 07-30-2007, 11:20 AM
18 Raw - by Berk - 07-30-2007, 12:55 PM
Re: 18 Raw - by The Hunterminator - 07-31-2007, 01:11 AM
Re: 18 Raw - by sweno - 07-31-2007, 04:40 AM
Re: 18 Raw - by The Hunterminator - 07-31-2007, 05:33 AM
Re: 18 Raw - by Florin - 07-31-2007, 09:39 PM
Deserted City - by ECSNorway - 07-31-2007, 11:03 PM
Ep15 - by SkyeFire - 08-01-2007, 04:01 AM
Re: Einherjar - by LilFluff - 08-01-2007, 04:44 AM
Re: Einherjar - by CattyNebulart - 08-01-2007, 05:51 PM
Re: Einherjar - by HoagieOfDoom - 08-01-2007, 09:24 PM
Drafting - by SkyeFire - 08-02-2007, 03:47 AM
Re: Drafting - by LilFluff - 08-13-2007, 09:49 AM
Re: Drafting - by Niteflier - 08-13-2007, 05:50 PM
Re: Drafting - by Berk - 08-14-2007, 08:58 AM
Re: Drafting - by ECSNorway - 08-14-2007, 08:58 PM
Re: Drafting - by CattyNebulart - 08-14-2007, 11:30 PM
Re: Drafting - by HoagieOfDoom - 08-15-2007, 12:04 AM
Re: Drafting - by CattyNebulart - 08-15-2007, 12:55 AM
Re: Drafting - by HoagieOfDoom - 08-15-2007, 04:24 AM
Re: Despite the win, a bit of concern Siebsen - by CattyNebulart - 08-16-2007, 12:40 AM
Re: Despite the win, a bit of concern Siebsen - by The Hunterminator - 08-16-2007, 06:22 PM
Re: Despite the win, a bit of concern Siebsen - by CattyNebulart - 09-07-2007, 11:30 AM
Re: No Play by play for 18&19, but here's 20 if you Zwan - by CattyNebulart - 09-08-2007, 12:44 PM
So... - by ordnance11 - 09-08-2007, 08:48 PM
Re: No Play by play for 18&19, but here's 20 if you Zwan - by CattyNebulart - 09-08-2007, 09:06 PM
Re: So... - by CattyNebulart - 09-08-2007, 09:13 PM
Using nukes - by ordnance11 - 09-09-2007, 12:11 AM
22 is out - by sweno - 09-09-2007, 04:35 PM
Re: 22 is out - by CattyNebulart - 09-09-2007, 06:18 PM
Re: 22 is out - by Valles - 09-09-2007, 07:17 PM
Re: 22 is out - by CattyNebulart - 09-10-2007, 12:19 AM
Re: 22 is out - by Berk - 09-11-2007, 01:00 PM
Re: 22 is out - by ECSNorway - 09-11-2007, 04:19 PM
Re: 22 is out - by Berk - 09-12-2007, 04:09 PM
Re: 22 is out - by Valles - 09-13-2007, 07:56 PM
Re: 22 is out - by CattyNebulart - 09-16-2007, 02:19 AM
Strikers 24 in WHITE! Ooooh! - by Valles - 09-25-2007, 03:45 PM
Re: Strikers 24 in WHITE! Ooooh! - by ECSNorway - 09-25-2007, 10:38 PM
Ep 24 - by SkyeFire - 09-26-2007, 02:55 AM
Re: Ep 24 - by sweno - 09-26-2007, 10:24 AM
25 is out, for those as hadn't known - by Valles - 10-07-2007, 01:55 PM
Re: 25 is out, for those as hadn't known - by crimsonsun - 10-07-2007, 06:53 PM
Re: 25 is out, for those as hadn't known - by CattyNebulart - 10-07-2007, 09:45 PM
Re: 25 is out, for those as hadn't known - by CattyNebulart - 10-09-2007, 11:18 PM
Pretty Pictures - by robkelk - 10-14-2007, 01:24 AM
Re: Pretty Pictures - by Morganite - 10-14-2007, 03:11 AM
Re: Pretty Pictures - by ECSNorway - 10-14-2007, 05:23 AM
Re: Pretty Pictures - by Morganite - 10-14-2007, 05:28 AM
Re: Pretty Pictures - by Firvulag - 10-14-2007, 05:50 AM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by Morganite - 10-14-2007, 06:19 AM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by Berk - 10-14-2007, 05:46 PM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by Morganite - 10-24-2007, 03:46 AM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by The Hunterminator - 10-24-2007, 03:56 AM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by Berk - 10-24-2007, 05:23 AM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by Morganite - 10-24-2007, 06:05 AM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by Berk - 10-24-2007, 03:30 PM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by Morganite - 10-24-2007, 03:43 PM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by Valles - 10-24-2007, 04:19 PM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by Morganite - 10-25-2007, 05:23 AM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by CattyNebulart - 10-25-2007, 07:33 AM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by katreus - 10-26-2007, 05:38 AM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by Morganite - 10-26-2007, 06:37 AM
Re: Re: Pretty Pictures - by katreus - 10-26-2007, 10:58 PM
FINALLY - by Valles - 10-30-2007, 04:18 PM
Re: FINALLY - by crimsonsun - 10-30-2007, 05:00 PM
Re: FINALLY - by Morganite - 10-30-2007, 06:04 PM
Re: FINALLY - by Valles - 10-30-2007, 06:46 PM
Re: FINALLY - by ECSNorway - 10-30-2007, 11:15 PM
Section six - by gamlain - 11-11-2007, 06:53 PM
re: - by katreus - 11-11-2007, 09:45 PM
[No subject] - by OpMegs - 06-08-2008, 08:02 PM
[No subject] - by Morganite - 06-27-2008, 05:49 AM
[No subject] - by OpMegs - 06-27-2008, 10:15 PM

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