RE: Brexit or Breaksit?
12-26-2018, 08:11 AM (This post was last modified: 12-26-2018, 08:13 AM by Dartz.)
12-26-2018, 08:11 AM (This post was last modified: 12-26-2018, 08:13 AM by Dartz.)
The EU's big problem is that it's always been really bad at justifying itself or making people believe in it. It's not really something people wanted, it just sort of accreted the way planets do. So in many ways a lot of the conveniences are overlooked while the bureraucracy just sort of becomes to focal point of everything negative and controlling. There's no real founding myth - there's nothing really inspiring about it. It just sort of is. It's very artificial. It began as a free trade agreement.
Which means that usually, when the topic of en EU treaty referendum comes up here, it's almost always defeated because the pro-EU's usual argument is always "It'll be great for the EU" while the No side actually digs in. Which usually results in a rejection because people don't really understand what they're voting for.
The second referendum normally involves the Pro side explaining exactly what the new treaty will do, how it amends the State's relationship with the EU, with added specificate clarifications to the treaty text that violations of Irish neutrality and the like will not be impinged. To which the No side then responds with "It's still terrible" and everyone votes Yes.
Which means I'm somewhat surprised that Britain hasn't had second referendum yet. They got the first part down to a tee. Ireland is also somewhat unique in that treaties which amend international relations *have* to go to the people.
The only real way to stop a lot of the boat people would be to start sinking the boats in the water until they stop sending them - a hideously callous act that would not really be justified by the ends. Or to go after the traffickers sending the boats - which can be quite difficult. In many ways, the boat peoples are as much victims as anything - sold a bill, then left to drown or be rescued.
And, as a point of order, Ireland has sent troops to the UN. Quiiite a good many, having been almost continuously involved since the 60's. Some of this missions have been alongside NATO missions - where the backing and authorisation is from the UN. The major european powers have - shall we say - some prior history with large the rest of the world that means peacekeeping troops from them may not necessarily be welcome.
Which means that usually, when the topic of en EU treaty referendum comes up here, it's almost always defeated because the pro-EU's usual argument is always "It'll be great for the EU" while the No side actually digs in. Which usually results in a rejection because people don't really understand what they're voting for.
The second referendum normally involves the Pro side explaining exactly what the new treaty will do, how it amends the State's relationship with the EU, with added specificate clarifications to the treaty text that violations of Irish neutrality and the like will not be impinged. To which the No side then responds with "It's still terrible" and everyone votes Yes.
Which means I'm somewhat surprised that Britain hasn't had second referendum yet. They got the first part down to a tee. Ireland is also somewhat unique in that treaties which amend international relations *have* to go to the people.
The only real way to stop a lot of the boat people would be to start sinking the boats in the water until they stop sending them - a hideously callous act that would not really be justified by the ends. Or to go after the traffickers sending the boats - which can be quite difficult. In many ways, the boat peoples are as much victims as anything - sold a bill, then left to drown or be rescued.
And, as a point of order, Ireland has sent troops to the UN. Quiiite a good many, having been almost continuously involved since the 60's. Some of this missions have been alongside NATO missions - where the backing and authorisation is from the UN. The major european powers have - shall we say - some prior history with large the rest of the world that means peacekeeping troops from them may not necessarily be welcome.
I love the smell of rotaries in the morning. You know one time, I got to work early, before the rush hour. I walked through the empty carpark, I didn't see one bloody Prius or Golf. And that smell, you know that gasoline smell, the whole carpark, smelled like.... ....speed.
One day they're going to ban them.