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Virginian Successor Quantico
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(02-07-2019, 11:02 AM)hazard Wrote: Labster?

White people can absolutely be victims of racism. To be stereotyped, to be joked about, on the basis of your race? That is racism. A blonde, white woman being discarded as an obvious stupid bimbo? That's racist and sexist. A white person being told 'you can't do or be something because you're white?' That is racism Labster.

What matters here is that the victim is judged on their race. Nothing else. And if you get told you can't be racially discriminated against because you're white? That's racial discrimination right there. That person that told you you could not possibly feel sympathy for a person of colour, only empathy, because you are not one? That person also racist, because they defined you on your race.

Also, wrong, according to this e-dictionary link.

OK, let's start with your example.  Change the blonde, white woman, to a blond white man.  Does that still make sense?  What if it's an Asian woman who dies her hair blonde, are they immune to the bimbo label?  I would say no, and that your example doesn't make sense.  In order to be a victim, there has to be harm.  The argument is not that white people can't be subjected to racial discrimination, but that they do not suffer harm from it.  At least, no harm beyond the garden variety insult.

The world in which people are not defined by their race is a non-existent fairy land.  It's not that it hasn't existed in the past -- Homer pretty consistently describes males as dark-skinned, and females as fair-skinned, with no distinction as to race, just city and culture.  Racism is actually pretty modern, it seems to be a function of nationalism.  But using a mental model that doesn't apply the effects of stereotyping is folly, too.  It's a higher-order effect, and not the same as stereotyping.

classicdrogn Wrote:As for the rest, if you don't let - encourage! - people to be colorblind, how do you expect to make the world become colorblind? Equal means equal, skewing the balance the other way is not better.
Brexit means Brexit, the Wall means the Wall.

I think this is harmful naïveté.  First off, the social justice warriors are not after social equality, they are after social justice.  Equality is not justice, unless you're from the Hammurabi school of law (that's at Gilgamesh U, right?).  Justice, to me, is equality tempered by mercy.  All people need to be treated better than equally.

Perhaps a society without racism is possible; I am honestly not sure.  Humans, as they are, want to come up with reasons to divide themselves against themselves, and unlike racism those roots stretch well into prehistory.  Perhaps it can be eliminated if we come up with some equally odious way of dividing ourselves.  Perhaps if we can find some space aliens to serve as a suitable Other.  Or just maybe, we can get better as a species.  But for now, acting as if skin color doesn't matter in society is ignorance, ignorance which allows racism to thrive.  Simply treating people equally is not justice, not alone.
"Kitto daijoubu da yo." - Sakura Kinomoto
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Virginian Successor Quantico - by Labster - 02-07-2019, 12:57 AM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Jinx999 - 02-07-2019, 01:48 AM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Labster - 02-07-2019, 02:15 AM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Labster - 02-07-2019, 03:18 AM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by hazard - 02-07-2019, 11:02 AM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Labster - 02-07-2019, 08:02 PM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Rajvik - 02-07-2019, 02:26 PM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by hazard - 02-07-2019, 03:15 PM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Rajvik - 02-07-2019, 03:28 PM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by hazard - 02-07-2019, 04:27 PM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Rajvik - 02-07-2019, 07:43 PM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by robkelk - 02-07-2019, 08:46 PM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Rajvik - 02-07-2019, 09:40 PM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by robkelk - 02-07-2019, 10:08 PM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Rajvik - 02-09-2019, 07:22 AM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by robkelk - 02-09-2019, 10:14 AM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Labster - 02-08-2019, 05:43 AM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Rajvik - 02-10-2019, 06:45 PM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Rajvik - 02-10-2019, 09:38 PM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by robkelk - 02-10-2019, 10:51 PM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by hazard - 02-11-2019, 12:21 AM
RE: Virginian Successor Quantico - by Rajvik - 02-11-2019, 06:30 AM

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