[RFC][Info] Playing with Boom-Boom (Or, Antimatter and You - A Children's Parable)
04-10-2019, 08:23 PM
04-10-2019, 08:23 PM
Alright, so while I was looking through the first PMMM Movie (Beginnings) I got it into my head that at some point, Ben is going to be with Homura when they face down a Witch at some point in time. Of course, this being post-Masu infusion, Ben is going to have MONDO FIREPOWER.
Ben will want to leave an impression at this point, so I needed to know how much of an antimatter charge he'd need to expend.
Here's the thing. I'm not 100% sure, but I think ATC might have gotten it wrong when he had the Goodfellow yielding about 0.5 kt-TNT with 1g-AM. Here's what I dug up on Reddit....
I'm pretty sure that this fellow's notation was getting screwed up somehow despite their best efforts. If someone can help me make sense of it, I'd appreciate it. In the meantime, though, further on down in the thread, someone else boils it down...
Okay. So let's run with that for the moment until someone can help me with the previous set of figures. We'll be running with just Metric Tons of TNT for explosive yield, since we all understand DAKKA! pretty well, and even when we don't, there's plenty of YouTube vids of people blowing random shit up. (Which I will demonstrate here in a moment...)
For what follows, assume an equal amount of counterpart matter is involved.
Given the above info:
42 Mt = 42,000,000 tons of TNT
1 gram AM = 0.001 kg
Thus 1g of antimatter would yield.... 42 KILOTONS!? Which would mean that Ben's entire stockpile of 5 grams is 210 kt. Wow. Nowhere near Tsar Bomba, but still - like Lindsey Brigman said in the film, The Abyss, that's World War III in the can! (Or at least an adequate enough amount to get the shit show kicked off.)
Let's see how tiny Ben's expenditures have to be to get us down to 'reasonable' levels.
100 mg-AM = 4.2 kt-TNT
10 mg-AM = 420 t-TNT
1 mg-AM = 42 t-TNT
1 μg-AM = 42 kg-TNT
100 ng-AM = 4.2 kg-TNT
10 ng-AM = 420 g-TNT
Okay. Ben has some SERIOUS FUCKING DAKKA on demand here. The 1μg expenditure is pretty much the equivalent to getting nailed with 7 and one-third high-explosive rounds from a 5" naval gun. ALL AT ONCE.
His 100ng and 10ng expenditure? Let's allow this YouTube video to do the talking.
Gnarly.
What about his 1 μg expenditure?
THIS (also featuring the guys from the above video - these dudes get around!):
Badda Boom, baby.
1 milligram?
Have some old military footage of a simulated nuclear blast using 50 tons of TNT:
WHAT THE FUUU-*BOOOOOOMMMMM!!!* *Demented laughter*
What about 10 milligram expenditure?
Say hello to Operation Sailor Hat - a test explosion of 500 tons of TNT to determine blast resistance on US Navy Warships and their systems.
So, if the above math holds out, we're looking at the following for Ben's expenditures and their effectiveness...
10ng - Anti-Mook Charge - great crowd control, can even hurt light armored vehicles to some extent.
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 500,000,000 shots (in other words, a nigh infinite supply).
100ng - Anti-Vehicle Charge - also good for those 'mid-level boss' types.
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 50,000,000 (also pretty much nigh-infinite).
1μg - The "We Need Bigger Guns" Charge - used mainly for major bosses, not for use in danger-close scenarios.
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 5,000,000... Yeah, I'm gonna find a way to nerf this. Stay with me here...
1mg - The "You have sub-nukes!?" Charge - for when a seriously big kaboom, but you're not ready for Hayate-levels of kaboom.
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 5,000... Definitely nerfing this shit.
10mg - The Tactical Nuke Charge - Screw it. We need Hayate, but we don't got Hayate. Send in the Hayate-substitute!
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 500 ....Still gonna nerf.
100mg - The "Kill All The Things" Charge - Strategic Nuke. 'Nuff said. About 1/3rd of Hiroshima.
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 50 ...Don't tell me I'm not gonna nerf this shit!
1 Gram - The "I have Become Death" Charge - For when you REALLY need something to be dead without any question. 2x Nagasaki.
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 5
So.
Nerfing.
It'll be simple and easy.
The main constraint is not going to be how much antimatter Ben will have on-hand, but rather how much neutral matter he can supply. That stuff is very finite, and he needs to expend more than a little to form a safe-to-use projectile, and this is to say nothing about neutral matter he needs to keep in reserve to protect himself from his own stockpile, reactor, and Fermion Inverter.
Additionally, in a combat situation, he's going to be burning up antimatter in order to maintain a how-energy output. So what follows will be the real-world limitations to what he can output.
Level 00 - 1 Gram - Special Case (must refrain from weaponized use for 24-hours prior, only one shot available)
Level 0 - 100 mg - Special Case (may only fire one shot per day, and only in the case of light weaponized use within 24-hours.)
Level 1 - 10 mg - 1/day
Level 2 - 1 mg - 5/day
Level 3 - 1 μg - 10/day
Level 4 - 100 ng - 15/day
Level 5 - 10 ng - 20/day
Keep in mind, usage has effects on the quantity of the availability of neutral matter. The above figures are soft estimates - there's no telling for sure when Ben will run 'dry'.
In conclusion, once Ben has the measure for his overall firepower, he will probably go "Fuck this shit", tell the girls to stand the fuck back, he's got this, and then hit the Witch with a single Level 2 shot. Yes, it's overkill as all hell, but he's trying to make a point here: he's not the guy to fuck with, and he emphasizes this by stating that he can do even better than that on a bad day. (And the funny thing is that he's STILL NOT the biggest fish in the pond.)
Thoughts?
Ben will want to leave an impression at this point, so I needed to know how much of an antimatter charge he'd need to expend.
Here's the thing. I'm not 100% sure, but I think ATC might have gotten it wrong when he had the Goodfellow yielding about 0.5 kt-TNT with 1g-AM. Here's what I dug up on Reddit....
Quote:To my understanding when a particle and an antiparticle meet all of the mass is converted into energy. We can use an example of 1 mole of protons reacting with 1 mole of anti-protons. I gotta use x instead of * as reddit keeps making my shit italicized.
Mass of a proton/anti-proton = 1.007276466812u
1 u = 1.66053886 x 10-27 kg
Mass of a proton/antiproton = 1.007276466812 x 1.66053886 x 10-27 = 1.67262172 × 10-27 kg
Mass of a proton/anti-proton
E=mc2
Energy of 1 reaction:
E = 2 x 1.67262172 × 10-27 * 2997924582
E = 3.00655487 × 10-10 J
For a mole (we got 2) it'd just be that multiplied by Avogadro's number.
3.00655487 × 10-10 x 2 x 6.0221415 × 1023 = 3.62117977 x 1014 J
That's A LOT of energy.
I'm pretty sure that this fellow's notation was getting screwed up somehow despite their best efforts. If someone can help me make sense of it, I'd appreciate it. In the meantime, though, further on down in the thread, someone else boils it down...
Quote:Explosive yield is typically talked about in TNT equivalent. Thus, a single Mt of yield is 4.184PJ.
One kilogram of antimatter, reacting with one kilogram of matter (conveniently supplied by the environment), would release roughly 180PJ, or, it would have the explosive yield of roughly 42Mt. So not quite Tsar Bomba, but that's the neighbourhood.
Okay. So let's run with that for the moment until someone can help me with the previous set of figures. We'll be running with just Metric Tons of TNT for explosive yield, since we all understand DAKKA! pretty well, and even when we don't, there's plenty of YouTube vids of people blowing random shit up. (Which I will demonstrate here in a moment...)
For what follows, assume an equal amount of counterpart matter is involved.
Given the above info:
42 Mt = 42,000,000 tons of TNT
1 gram AM = 0.001 kg
Thus 1g of antimatter would yield.... 42 KILOTONS!? Which would mean that Ben's entire stockpile of 5 grams is 210 kt. Wow. Nowhere near Tsar Bomba, but still - like Lindsey Brigman said in the film, The Abyss, that's World War III in the can! (Or at least an adequate enough amount to get the shit show kicked off.)
Let's see how tiny Ben's expenditures have to be to get us down to 'reasonable' levels.
100 mg-AM = 4.2 kt-TNT
10 mg-AM = 420 t-TNT
1 mg-AM = 42 t-TNT
1 μg-AM = 42 kg-TNT
100 ng-AM = 4.2 kg-TNT
10 ng-AM = 420 g-TNT
Okay. Ben has some SERIOUS FUCKING DAKKA on demand here. The 1μg expenditure is pretty much the equivalent to getting nailed with 7 and one-third high-explosive rounds from a 5" naval gun. ALL AT ONCE.
His 100ng and 10ng expenditure? Let's allow this YouTube video to do the talking.
Gnarly.
What about his 1 μg expenditure?
THIS (also featuring the guys from the above video - these dudes get around!):
Badda Boom, baby.
1 milligram?
Have some old military footage of a simulated nuclear blast using 50 tons of TNT:
WHAT THE FUUU-*BOOOOOOMMMMM!!!* *Demented laughter*
What about 10 milligram expenditure?
Say hello to Operation Sailor Hat - a test explosion of 500 tons of TNT to determine blast resistance on US Navy Warships and their systems.
So, if the above math holds out, we're looking at the following for Ben's expenditures and their effectiveness...
10ng - Anti-Mook Charge - great crowd control, can even hurt light armored vehicles to some extent.
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 500,000,000 shots (in other words, a nigh infinite supply).
100ng - Anti-Vehicle Charge - also good for those 'mid-level boss' types.
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 50,000,000 (also pretty much nigh-infinite).
1μg - The "We Need Bigger Guns" Charge - used mainly for major bosses, not for use in danger-close scenarios.
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 5,000,000... Yeah, I'm gonna find a way to nerf this. Stay with me here...
1mg - The "You have sub-nukes!?" Charge - for when a seriously big kaboom, but you're not ready for Hayate-levels of kaboom.
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 5,000... Definitely nerfing this shit.
10mg - The Tactical Nuke Charge - Screw it. We need Hayate, but we don't got Hayate. Send in the Hayate-substitute!
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 500 ....Still gonna nerf.
100mg - The "Kill All The Things" Charge - Strategic Nuke. 'Nuff said. About 1/3rd of Hiroshima.
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 50 ...Don't tell me I'm not gonna nerf this shit!
1 Gram - The "I have Become Death" Charge - For when you REALLY need something to be dead without any question. 2x Nagasaki.
Shots available from entire stockpile (5 grams): 5
So.
Nerfing.
It'll be simple and easy.
The main constraint is not going to be how much antimatter Ben will have on-hand, but rather how much neutral matter he can supply. That stuff is very finite, and he needs to expend more than a little to form a safe-to-use projectile, and this is to say nothing about neutral matter he needs to keep in reserve to protect himself from his own stockpile, reactor, and Fermion Inverter.
Additionally, in a combat situation, he's going to be burning up antimatter in order to maintain a how-energy output. So what follows will be the real-world limitations to what he can output.
Level 00 - 1 Gram - Special Case (must refrain from weaponized use for 24-hours prior, only one shot available)
Level 0 - 100 mg - Special Case (may only fire one shot per day, and only in the case of light weaponized use within 24-hours.)
Level 1 - 10 mg - 1/day
Level 2 - 1 mg - 5/day
Level 3 - 1 μg - 10/day
Level 4 - 100 ng - 15/day
Level 5 - 10 ng - 20/day
Keep in mind, usage has effects on the quantity of the availability of neutral matter. The above figures are soft estimates - there's no telling for sure when Ben will run 'dry'.
In conclusion, once Ben has the measure for his overall firepower, he will probably go "Fuck this shit", tell the girls to stand the fuck back, he's got this, and then hit the Witch with a single Level 2 shot. Yes, it's overkill as all hell, but he's trying to make a point here: he's not the guy to fuck with, and he emphasizes this by stating that he can do even better than that on a bad day. (And the funny thing is that he's STILL NOT the biggest fish in the pond.)
Thoughts?