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2020, the election campaigns have begun
RE: 2020, the election campaigns have begun
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(01-19-2020, 01:29 PM)Rajvik Wrote: Modern socialism on the other hand, is the first step to either communism or national socialism (aka naziism) the difference being in whether or not they try and expand to other areas or try and isolate themselves behind their national borders. Both use pogroms and purges to "purify" their believers and use them as informants to find others to purge.

2 things.

1) The difference is not whether they look inward or outwards. Both look outwards, if for different reasons. The difference is in who they consider responsible for their misfortune. Communists generally hold the rich responsible for abusing their workforce and exploiting their production for the gain of the rich while leaving the workforce with nothing, while nazis generally hold some paradoxically weak/strong outside group responsible for corrupting and enslaving the noble and strong inside group.

2) Lack of tolerance for dissenters is not indicative of national socialist or communist governments. It is indicative of totalitarian governments, and the most prominent totalitarian governments in the past century have been communist or nazi run. However, there were certainly plenty of such governments who were neither communist nor nazi run, especially in the former colonies. For that matter, the few theocracies we can see form over that same span of time definitely have totalitarian traits as well, and neither the communists nor the nazis liked religion much.

(01-19-2020, 01:29 PM)Rajvik Wrote: look, none of you agree with me, i get that, and i'll try to talk what i feel is sense into the lot of you same as you try to talk what you feel is sense into me, but we are not going to agree on everything. As far as the election go i think the DNC has realized that they need to get all their lame ducks off the field as fast as possible so that when they lose, the moderates can look at the kooks in the base, the sanders and occasio cortez types and say "Look, you can't move that fast, you have to take time and win them over slowly. Anticipate the occasional retrenching like what happened with Trump, and just keep slowly pushing further and further."

Actually, the right wing has been pretty successfully pulling the USA further towards the political right for the past 40 years or so if you look at things. What we're seeing here is not a retrenchment on the right, it's a retrenchment on the left. And given how Clinton won the popular vote last time around and how Sanders is leading in number of donations done and total amount donated despite having by far the smallest amount donated on average per donation I'd give him good odds on winning the popular vote against Trump by an even greater margin than Clinton did.

Whether or not that translates into him winning the presidency or being an effective president is a different question, mostly because of the USA's fucked up electoral system and the manner in which it's manipulated to benefit the people in control.


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RE: 2020, the election campaigns have begun - by hazard - 01-19-2020, 02:53 PM

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