COVID-19 & US healthcare system

[Rajvik]

Actually WHO said there was a problem on January 7, but that is neither here nor there.

Also, there is no ability to impeach either a member of congress, nor a senator. they can be censored, they can be voted out, and i believe there is one other measure to remove them but i can't remember what it is at the moment.

now, back to my, irritation and contention.

... You know what? Yeah, I'm going to ignore the bigoted asshole. Bye.

Yeah, love you too Matrix

Was anyone blaming Trump? For turning down the WHO test kits, I suppose, and responses that are more style than substance. 

considering the first reaction by the media was to call him a xenophobe when he instated the original travel ban, and then belittle his reactions at every step, yes. The WHO tests were throwing out to many false positives and false negatives and needed to be improved, the new ones surprisingly do that. Matrix, this one covers you as well, i can't speak for the Australian government's response, that's your row to hoe, but i would suggest, again as i am about to with Dartz, that you are over estimating the ability of socialized medicine.

Triage is expected in any healthcare system. What's happening in Italy is what happens in any disaster where there're not enough medics to deal with the casualties. Some people are given the black tag because they can't be saved - so it would waste resources to try and save them. Never mind that Italy-contray to the reputation of the Italian Government - has one of the most capable medical systems in the world.

Dartz, Triage would be postponing any elective surgeries that will take up hospital beds in lieu of taking care of the people affected by this, Triage would be looking at the sick with significant age and/or pre-existing conditions and trying to preemptively isolate them so that they do NOT come into contact with the disease. Triage at this stage is NOT sending a coughing 80 year old back home because you don't have the bed space and the younger people are able to be more productive than the pensioner. The younger generations are not suffering from this as much as the elderly so long as they aren't immune compromised.

Rob can probably confirm this, but in Canada with their socialized medical system, you are assured a hospital bed, IN TWO MONTHS. Thats right, a two month backlog on their hospital space, and that is without the system getting pressured by an outside source. Hazard, concerning your comments to this subject, The US's elders are not going to be turned away because they are too poor, they have medicare/medicaid same as the general poor. the people who will be turned away because they are too poor are the poor bastards feeding the system with their damn paychecks. And you can add to that that the half measures you speak of to placate the masses and say We did the best we could with what we had is a platitude that will not be accepted.

And frankly? Globalism isn't much of a factor here. Cheap and fast international travel for tourists is, and that would be a big thing even if globalism wasn't

Globalism is not simply an economic thing Hazzard, that cheap fast EASY, international travel is also a part of it. there were times when you had to have certain immunizations to go between countries, a health card was part of your Passport. i recently helped my sister get her passport because she might have need to travel across the border into Canada to pick up a load to escort back down into the US, or to deliver one up there. I was actually surprised to find that they didn't need a health list of her immunizations from a doctor stating that her shots were up to date, and why is this? because we believe we have effectively eliminated the worlds diseases that are not AIDS the common flu and the common cold.

This was a problem that started, probably in the wake of Vietnam i would guess, though the seeds for it were probably planted in the wake of either WWII or Korea, soldiers with war brides wanting to bring the wife's family over easier voted for people who would make it easier, and lets face it, if they were coming through a military base, the usually got the needed shots. Now we have had a seasonal measles outbreak every year for the last few years between the anti-vaxxer idiots and people crossing the border without being medically checked, and yet you have people in the halls of power that basically want to throw the border open and say "I don't care how sick you are, come on in and we'll fix you right up, no money needed."

Also Hazzard, the Netherlands has a total population of about 17.4 MILLION people where the US has 328 TRILLION and change, the Netherlands has roughly twice the population of New Jersey although they are all stuffed into an area about the size of Connecticut (at a glance and a guess). that said, HUGE difference in all statistics that basically blows any ratio comparison to hell.

quite frankly i'll leave things here, i'm getting too worked up, but yes you can question, yes you can disagree, but by the gods, help who you can and stay calm